Kassiana

Paradise is having your pets and husband with you, inside your nice warm home on a cold winter day with snow on the ground (snow falling would be perfect), sipping a cup of hot herbal tea with honey, playing soft music you love, reading a good book, and being totally at peace.

It's paradise to me, anyhow.

Amos

So you have one, please tell me yours.

Amos

Thanks but no thanks, too many things can go wrong and that should never be the case with paradise.

How about "singing in prison" or "loving your dentist?"

Kenny

The Kingdom of Heaven is characterized by self-sacrifice, the giving of oneself wholly to God and to others, the crucifixion of your ego and the resurrection to a life of sacrificial love. In that is to be found perfect communion with God and others, peace and joy beyond anything you have ever known. If that doesn’t sound appealing to you, then, tough. Those are the terms. This isn’t a matter of a selling point. This is a call to lay it all down. Heaven isn’t some reward for giving up your life now, it is the natural continuation of that process and its final culmination. Whoever wants to find his life has to lose it.

God Bless,
Kenny

Jeremy Pallant

The open desert. Off-grid electricity supply. No neighbours. An uncontaminated view of the stars at night. Video games.

That would be a start.

Jeremy Pallant

Ah, so you despise marriage.

Amos

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Yes, one must be alive to be in Paradise.

You mean as in Shirly MacLean? She's nuts and that works only in Hollywood where people will believe anything.

The transmigration of souls just means that we are incarnate beings. Our heritage is retained in our soul for up to 1000 years and if we know who we really are we will have knowledge of our soul and live in the "One Thousand Year Reign." Evidence for this is the 14 generation intervals of Mt.1:17 (14x70) and the old age of Methuselah and others in the OT. </strong>

To rationalize the Gospels would take many pages and so I will do a surface scan of it.

Jesus was the reborn Joseph and so it was unto Joseph that Christ was born. In other words, Joseph was a born-again Jew and was called Jesus to take upon him the persona of Joseph and get it nailed to the cross. So now Jesus is the ego identity of Joseph that must be annihilated to set free the Christ (inner-man) identity that had been reborn.

The shepherds were the eidetic images of Joseph here personified and to be called as apostels. They were actually what had made Joseph the whily carpenter and because carpenters are known to make many things and since all things are made in sin Joseph was a surpreme sinner before his conversion. This is what the new tomb was all about which he had "hewn with his own hands" when Joseph came for the body of Jesus (Mt.27:60).

As a side note, you must remember here that we are beginning a new religion and the Gospels were written with a religious slant to attract followers. It must therefore contain some archetypal truth (which is prior to us by nature) to make it believable but it must not be overly descriptive to remove the mystery of faith. In that sense must Catholics be both ark builders and tomb hewers because the ark that keeps us afloat must lead us to the grave we bury our ego in.

The call of the apostels describes the metanoia of Joseph now working towards the liberation of his inner self (Christ). Since the apostels are the qualities of Jesus they must be retained and
to isolate them from the Jesus identity they did forsake him in the garden there and so it was the empty Jesus identity that was crucified but not until his Jewish robes were despoiled. Really all that happened on the cross was that the senses were pierced to signify the removal of desire.

The Christ identity had been set free by Pilate under civil law in the name of Bar-abbas while the Jesus-the-Jew identity was convicted under Jewish law by the Jews (and only by the Jews).

We can now say that the crucifixion of Jesus was equal to the liberation of the Christ identity and the subsequent ascention of Jesus was into the mind of Christ who was the upper room of Joseph personified. It is in this way that reason was placed subservient to the intuit mind of Joseph.

Mary plays a big role in this but that makes it much too complicated for now. Mary was woman and She is really the inner motivation and therefore works from behind the scene. No, our worldly richess are the sheep we gather with our own shepherds while under the obligation of the law. Of course the sheep are material goods while the shepherds are our qualities to gather material goods. These will become our richess in heaven but multiplied (sic).

Since it is our own mind wherein the melodrama of salvation takes place all of our material goods and our entire faculty of reason must be forsaken so only our bare naked ego identity can be crucified. This is what the sanity comment was about and is what hell is descriptive off.

The Laws set out stream of consciousness which is the boundary to be violated. We return to within these boundaries to stand convicted and crucified by the hypocrites and pharisees of today (instead of returning to religion we need religious fanatics to annihilate our ego awareness).

To be clear. Our first death is the death of our ego. After this we enter eternal life which is along the path of our intuit mind wherein time-as-such is not known. Our second death is the death of our soul (eternal mind) and we will get buried after that.

Amos

Why should I? I married my girfriend!

Jeremy Pallant

You expressed your dissatisfaction with Kassiana's view of paradise. Thus I concluded, that for you, paradise does not involve any kind of relationship because, as you said, too many things could go wrong. To extrapolate from your reaction, I would conclude that your idea of paradise doesn't include your wife.

My apologies if I interpreted your response incorrectly; please provide clarification as necessary.

Jeremy Pallant

Is this supposed to apply before or after death?