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Anunnaki · 08-15-2002, 06:51 AM

The Catholic channel really lets it all hang out at 2 in the morning and this morning was no exception.
There was a show on called "Tears of love" about statues all over the world that allegedly cry human tears,blood and olive oil. The show claimed that the reason for all the crying is due to us moving away from God and being "consumed by sin and racing towards Hell."

Every once in a while they would show a picture of a Virgin Mary statue and a reverberated womans voice would say something like "Please come back to the church. I`m worried you are going to Hell." OR (my personal favorite) "When Jesus comes the destruction will be fire and it will be WORSE than the deluge of Noah."
It was so silly and reminded me of that old lady from "Pecker" who would make her Virgin Mary statue say "Full of grace,full of grace."

It was all complete shit and anybody motivated and a bit crafty can rig a statue to shed tearrs,but why have it cry tears of blood.
Is there some religious significance to the blood tears or do Mary and Jesus just get a kick out of grossing us out? Is there a lost Gospel story about Mary and Jesus both getting run over by a carriage and suffering massive head trauma? Anyone who has blood coming out of their eyes nedds to be either be in the emergency room or the morgue.

And whats with the olive oil? I`m assuming that this silliness has roots in Italy,but whats the mythology or folklore surrounding it? Is there some religious significance to this or is it simply a matter of people discovering that olive oil works well to simulate tears on crying statues?

Corwin · 08-15-2002, 08:11 AM

I don't know about the olive oil... but the whole bit about holy statues crying blood has always amused the hell out of me... considering that tears of blood is supposedly an old sign of a vampire...

Christians sometimes just don't realize what they're saying about their holy figures.

The Cromwell Institute · 08-15-2002, 08:19 AM

My boss believes in god because of a cross somewhere in Sydney that oozes olive oil. Damn, but some people are staggeringly gullible. Why so many people people avoid thinking like the plague?

Waning Moon Conrad · 08-15-2002, 08:48 AM

Blood for the wounds of Christ and his bleeding heart.

Olive Oil because the olive is the gift of Minerva, Goddess of Wisdom and the allegedly virgin Mary is a basically every pagan goddess you can think of whilst Christ is a pagan sun god grafted onto Judaic monotheism.

Now if these statues, instead of weeping blood and olive oil, would get up and play the organ I'd be impressed - if they're competent and can do a good fugue.

Bree · 08-15-2002, 08:50 AM

Heh heh...

It's very easy to rig a statue to ooze red liquid. We did it in chemistry class. All we did is dust the statue in this white powder that turned dark red when wet, and then put the statue in a place where it will "sweat" - the condensation mixed with the powder creates a nice effect.

Of course, my lab partner and I had great fun messing around with the squeaky-bath toy in the shape of the David

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Walter_Mitty · 08-15-2002, 08:56 AM

Rather curious don't you think? The maker of "all this", the entity who is alleged to have turned a lady into salt, made an ass talk (not Pat Robertson), and appeared as a burning bush, here in the year 2002, the best HE can do is make a trinket weep cooking products.

Viti · 08-15-2002, 09:15 AM

Catholics are a wacky bunch...statues that weep, images of Mary or Jesus in rust stains...vegetables....tortillas. Gotta love em, sure don't take much to fascinate them and get their money.

Oresta · 08-15-2002, 09:18 AM

I assume Mary statues weep only virgin oil.

Anunnaki · 08-15-2002, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Waning Moon Conrad:
Blood for the wounds of Christ and his bleeding heart.

Olive Oil because the olive is the gift of Minerva, Goddess of Wisdom and the allegedly virgin Mary is a basically every pagan goddess you can think of whilst Christ is a pagan sun god grafted onto Judaic monotheism.

Blood may symbolize the wounds and bleeding heart of Christ,but why the hell is it coming out of the eyes?

I figured the oil must have been associated with an earlier Grrek/Roman goddess,but I had no idea which one. And once again,why the eyes? I doubt that Minerva cried her gift of olive oil to the people.
I`d like to hear a Catholic try to rationalize this tear business. Gemma? Amos? Bede?

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Now if these statues, instead of weeping blood and olive oil, would get up and play the organ I'd be impressed - if they're competent and can do a good fugue.

I`d prefer they bang out a fugue on the lute,but thats just my personal preference.

I really wish you guys heard the virgins little voice early this morning telling everybody how concerned she is we might be going to Hell.
The little voice combined with the image of a wet eyed little statue was quite a show. I couldn`t help but think of Gemma Therese.

lpetrich · 08-15-2002, 10:29 AM

Richard Carrier notes in one of his essays here in II, I think "Kooks and Quacks in the Roman Empire", that lots of statues of pagan deities were "known" to bleed, moan, and even move about a bit. He also notes that some historians back then were somewhat skeptical of such reports.

08-15-2002, 06:51 AM	#1
Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	Why cry tears of blood and olive oil? The Catholic channel really lets it all hang out at 2 in the morning and this morning was no exception. There was a show on called "Tears of love" about statues all over the world that allegedly cry human tears,blood and olive oil. The show claimed that the reason for all the crying is due to us moving away from God and being "consumed by sin and racing towards Hell." Every once in a while they would show a picture of a Virgin Mary statue and a reverberated womans voice would say something like "Please come back to the church. I`m worried you are going to Hell." OR (my personal favorite) "When Jesus comes the destruction will be fire and it will be WORSE than the deluge of Noah." It was so silly and reminded me of that old lady from "Pecker" who would make her Virgin Mary statue say "Full of grace,full of grace." It was all complete shit and anybody motivated and a bit crafty can rig a statue to shed tearrs,but why have it cry tears of blood. Is there some religious significance to the blood tears or do Mary and Jesus just get a kick out of grossing us out? Is there a lost Gospel story about Mary and Jesus both getting run over by a carriage and suffering massive head trauma? Anyone who has blood coming out of their eyes nedds to be either be in the emergency room or the morgue. And whats with the olive oil? I`m assuming that this silliness has roots in Italy,but whats the mythology or folklore surrounding it? Is there some religious significance to this or is it simply a matter of people discovering that olive oil works well to simulate tears on crying statues?

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08-15-2002, 08:11 AM	#2
Corwin Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,369	I don't know about the olive oil... but the whole bit about holy statues crying blood has always amused the hell out of me... considering that tears of blood is supposedly an old sign of a vampire... Christians sometimes just don't realize what they're saying about their holy figures.

08-15-2002, 08:19 AM	#3
The Cromwell Institute Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 766	My boss believes in god because of a cross somewhere in Sydney that oozes olive oil. Damn, but some people are staggeringly gullible. Why so many people people avoid thinking like the plague?

08-15-2002, 08:48 AM	#4
Waning Moon Conrad Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Victoria. Australia Posts: 1,417	Blood for the wounds of Christ and his bleeding heart. Olive Oil because the olive is the gift of Minerva, Goddess of Wisdom and the allegedly virgin Mary is a basically every pagan goddess you can think of whilst Christ is a pagan sun god grafted onto Judaic monotheism. Now if these statues, instead of weeping blood and olive oil, would get up and play the organ I'd be impressed - if they're competent and can do a good fugue.

08-15-2002, 08:50 AM	#5
Bree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Twin Cities, USA Posts: 3,197	Heh heh... It's very easy to rig a statue to ooze red liquid. We did it in chemistry class. All we did is dust the statue in this white powder that turned dark red when wet, and then put the statue in a place where it will "sweat" - the condensation mixed with the powder creates a nice effect. Of course, my lab partner and I had great fun messing around with the squeaky-bath toy in the shape of the David .

08-15-2002, 08:56 AM	#6
Walter_Mitty Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: . Posts: 467	Rather curious don't you think? The maker of "all this", the entity who is alleged to have turned a lady into salt, made an ass talk (not Pat Robertson), and appeared as a burning bush, here in the year 2002, the best HE can do is make a trinket weep cooking products.

08-15-2002, 09:15 AM	#7
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Catholics are a wacky bunch...statues that weep, images of Mary or Jesus in rust stains...vegetables....tortillas. Gotta love em, sure don't take much to fascinate them and get their money.

08-15-2002, 09:18 AM	#8
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	I assume Mary statues weep only virgin oil.

08-15-2002, 10:29 AM	#10
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Richard Carrier notes in one of his essays here in II, I think "Kooks and Quacks in the Roman Empire", that lots of statues of pagan deities were "known" to bleed, moan, and even move about a bit. He also notes that some historians back then were somewhat skeptical of such reports.

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