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Old Man · 03-08-2003, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Demigawd
What does this scenario have to do with the validity of human rights? Is this an advocation for the patriarchal-centric nature of Christianity?

I'm merely pointing out the deist/atheist deference to "human rights" derived from reason alone is meaningless self-righteous twaddle.

Its just a grandiose phrase whose only purpose is to disguise the moral bankruptcy of its maker.

Bill Snedden · 03-08-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Old Man
I'm merely pointing out the deist/atheist deference to "human rights" derived from reason alone is meaningless self-righteous twaddle.

But of course you did no such thing. You posted a single example of something that might be considered an injustice. How exactly is this supposed to serve as an indictment of secular human rights?

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Originally posted by Old Man
Its just a grandiose phrase whose only purpose is to disguise the moral bankruptcy of its maker.

Rubbish...

Regards,

Bill Snedden

Spaz · 03-08-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Old Man
Were you the Spaz of CARM fame?

Not that I know of

JCS · 03-08-2003, 10:16 AM

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This common sense approach to God and a spiritual philosophy can not only bring a lasting profound sense of peace and happiness to the individual, but it also has the potential to go light years in eradicating religious fear, superstition and violence.

Common sense? How does positing an unsubstantiated deity result in common sense? I really don't understand how someone could find comfort in believing in a deity that essentially laid an egg and then wandered off never to be heard from again.

How can they make the claim of potential to eradicate the problems often associated with god(s) belief? They are just contributing one more for everyone else to disagree over. Why not the real common sense logical solution. No belief until such time a reason for belief is established. It is the only solution that the lack of evidence seems to support.

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Is Deism a form of atheism? No. Atheism teaches that there is no God. Deism teaches there is a God. Deism rejects the "revelations" of the "revealed" religions but does not reject God.

Atheism teaches? Does that mean I can't label myself atheist unless I take the class?

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Unlike the revealed religions, Deism makes no unreasonable claims.

As defined by who? I think it is totally unreasonable to assert these claims without a lick of proof.

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Much of the evil in the world could be overcome or removed if humanity had embraced our God-given reason from our earliest evolutionary stages. After all, all the laws of nature that we've discovered and learned to use to our advantage that make everything from computers to medicine to space travel have existed eternally. But we've decided we'd rather live in superstition and fear instead of learning and gaining knowledge. It's much more soothing to believe we're not responsible for our own actions than to actually do the hard work required for success.

I agree with most of this, except for their superstitious belief in their unsubstantiated deity.

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Deism doesn't claim to have all the answers to everything, we just claim to be on the right path to those answers.

Yeah, so does everyone else.

Old Man · 03-08-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Snedden
But of course you did no such thing. You posted a single example of something that might be considered an injustice. How exactly is this supposed to serve as an indictment of secular human rights?

Might? Well, it was only today:

From: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...l&siteid=50143

SUICIDE-PACT FATHERS DIE IN FUME-FILLED CAR Mar 8 2003

By Stephen Moyes

TWO young fathers with a suicide pact gassed themselves in a car.

Lifelong friends Christopher Howe, 32, and Paul Williams, 38, were both said to have relationship problems.

Its difficult to comprehend the atheist view of "human rights" where those human rights amount to kicking a man out of his own house, forcing him to pay 30% of his salary in alimony, all because his wife chose to be seduced by some bastard she met.
But that is deist/atheist morality for you. I think I have a right to say it stinks.

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Rubbish...

Bill Snedden

You need to reconcile the fact that the implementation of atheist version of human rights causes people to commit suicide, with the statement you have made.

Old Man · 03-08-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Spaz
Not that I know of

What's with "spaz"? What does it mean?

hezekiah jones · 03-08-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Old Man
Its difficult to comprehend the atheist view of "human rights" where those human rights amount to kicking a man out of his own house, forcing him to pay 30% of his salary in alimony, all because his wife chose to be seduced by some bastard she met.
But that is deist/atheist morality for you.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Bill Snedden · 03-08-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Old Man
Its difficult to comprehend the atheist view of "human rights" where those human rights amount to kicking a man out of his own house, forcing him to pay 30% of his salary in alimony, all because his wife chose to be seduced by some bastard she met.
But that is deist/atheist morality for you. I think I have a right to say it stinks.

It's difficult to comprehend how this one example, tragic though it is, can possibly be an indictment of "deist/atheist" morality. What necessary connection can you possibly be trying to indicate?

Spaz · 03-08-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Old Man
What's with "spaz"? What does it mean?

I dunno, just like the way it sounds I guess, my aim sn has it in it and people started calling me spaz as a nick name a couple years ago because of the aim sn.

And edited to contain something (slightly) relevant:

Old Man you seem to have a lot against women's rights, where exactly does that stem from? In the alimony, etc. that you talked about before, that would only occur when the woman divorced the guy and got the kids and shit because of something stupid that he did probably. And if she's making it up then she was an evil bitch and the guy should've known that before he married her

hezekiah jones · 03-08-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Bill Snedden
It's difficult to comprehend how this one example, tragic though it is, can possibly be an indictment of "deist/atheist" morality. What necessary connection can you possibly be trying to indicate?

Well, that was exactly my question, but I guess you framed it somewhat more diplomatically, not that he deserved it.

03-08-2003, 12:38 PM	#17
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Re: Re: NOT! Originally posted by Old Man Its difficult to comprehend the atheist view of "human rights" where those human rights amount to kicking a man out of his own house, forcing him to pay 30% of his salary in alimony, all because his wife chose to be seduced by some bastard she met. But that is deist/atheist morality for you. What the fuck are you talking about?

03-08-2003, 04:10 PM	#20
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Re: Ummm....huh? Originally posted by Bill Snedden It's difficult to comprehend how this one example, tragic though it is, can possibly be an indictment of "deist/atheist" morality. What necessary connection can you possibly be trying to indicate? Well, that was exactly my question, but I guess you framed it somewhat more diplomatically, not that he deserved it.

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