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Emotional Naturalist · 06-05-2002, 09:20 AM

"Take thy son,
Thine only son,
Whom thou hast loved,
Isaac,

And show that thou lovest Me more than him,
By MURDERING him on the altar of obedience to Me!"

Abraham loved God; yea, he loved God so much that he was willing to murder his son for God. Isaac - how perfect a sacrifice! But Isaac was not sacrificed; human morality and compassion and feeling were sacrificed, in favour of mechanical obedience to a tyrant above.

"Now have I known that thou art God-fearing"

Yes, indeed, now have we known what a person so engrossed in the love of God can do: extinguish the human, moral, compassionate self and become a robot performing every program of God without thought, without remorse! In sacrificing his son, Abraham ceased being a human being, and became a machine. The war between humankind and God is the war between man and machine. Those who 'tame' their animal desires so completely cannot help becoming machines. For it is not the animal nature of humankind that causes so much suffering, but the ability of humankind to be programmed and follow programs blindly.

Abraham - role model for Osama ben Laden, and other theists who perform sacrifices out of love for God. Abraham the model. Model for becoming mechanically evil by robotically following the order of that evil God.

Emotional Naturalist · 06-06-2002, 03:45 AM

Destroy! Destroy! Destroy those evil religions! Kill this evil God! Purge the land from all theism, till there is no person alive who believes in God or worships him!

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Maverick · 06-06-2002, 05:45 AM

Since there is no question posed for debate, I am going to move this over to Misc. Religion Discussion.

Maverick

philechat · 06-06-2002, 03:01 PM

Indeed Kierkegaard said such act was the supreme performance of "faith"! And I also read about Jewish theology saying that the way of Job was a great act of faith, disregarding his children and wife, whom God had tortured to death...

I wondered for what motivation would Abraham and Job perform such action, especially without the so-called Heaven awaiting them? (Hebrews do not believe in Heaven until the Babylonian capture) Was it a fear of death? Faith? Mindless acts as demonstrated in Milgram Studies?

The banality of evil, as Hannah Arendt would say, one that motivates Eichmann to operate the death machine. I much perfer the humanity of the Greek pagans: they not only sympathize with their enemies (as in Iliad) but also applauded Prometheus when he dared risk an eternity on top of the mountain tortured by the vultures, because he deceived Zeus in favor for the human beings.

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06-05-2002, 09:20 AM	#1
Emotional Naturalist Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hell's flames Posts: 26	In Abraham's Fall We Sinned All! "Take thy son, Thine only son, Whom thou hast loved, Isaac, And show that thou lovest Me more than him, By MURDERING him on the altar of obedience to Me!" Abraham loved God; yea, he loved God so much that he was willing to murder his son for God. Isaac - how perfect a sacrifice! But Isaac was not sacrificed; human morality and compassion and feeling were sacrificed, in favour of mechanical obedience to a tyrant above. "Now have I known that thou art God-fearing" Yes, indeed, now have we known what a person so engrossed in the love of God can do: extinguish the human, moral, compassionate self and become a robot performing every program of God without thought, without remorse! In sacrificing his son, Abraham ceased being a human being, and became a machine. The war between humankind and God is the war between man and machine. Those who 'tame' their animal desires so completely cannot help becoming machines. For it is not the animal nature of humankind that causes so much suffering, but the ability of humankind to be programmed and follow programs blindly. Abraham - role model for Osama ben Laden, and other theists who perform sacrifices out of love for God. Abraham the model. Model for becoming mechanically evil by robotically following the order of that evil God.

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06-06-2002, 03:45 AM	#2
Emotional Naturalist Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hell's flames Posts: 26	Destroy! Destroy! Destroy those evil religions! Kill this evil God! Purge the land from all theism, till there is no person alive who believes in God or worships him! [ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: Emotional Naturalist ]</p>

06-06-2002, 05:45 AM	#3
Maverick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 6,367	Since there is no question posed for debate, I am going to move this over to Misc. Religion Discussion. Maverick

06-06-2002, 03:01 PM	#4
philechat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mind of the Other Posts: 886	Indeed Kierkegaard said such act was the supreme performance of "faith"! And I also read about Jewish theology saying that the way of Job was a great act of faith, disregarding his children and wife, whom God had tortured to death... I wondered for what motivation would Abraham and Job perform such action, especially without the so-called Heaven awaiting them? (Hebrews do not believe in Heaven until the Babylonian capture) Was it a fear of death? Faith? Mindless acts as demonstrated in Milgram Studies? The banality of evil, as Hannah Arendt would say, one that motivates Eichmann to operate the death machine. I much perfer the humanity of the Greek pagans: they not only sympathize with their enemies (as in Iliad) but also applauded Prometheus when he dared risk an eternity on top of the mountain tortured by the vultures, because he deceived Zeus in favor for the human beings. [ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: philechat ]</p>

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