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Old 06-12-2003, 03:41 AM   #11
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I just like that last statement -
"if you want to get rid of whores, outlaw professional politicians."
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Old 06-12-2003, 11:47 AM   #12
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I fully agree with Beastmaster-

How does close physical contact, or even indoor prostitution affect the neighbors? I don't get it.

Outdoor sex=illegal and should be.

Condoms strewn around the area=littering and perhaps a health hazard, also already illegal.

Married men who can't keep their dick in their pants=personal issue.

What they should do is legalize all of it, take the tax revenue and build a nice park for the kiddies. Hire extra police to prevent hard drug trafficking in the area and to make sure kids don't get in.

Now, if all this was done, would the neighbors have any legal reason to complain other than they just don't want an "ill repute" it's-against-my-wittle-morals business in their backyards??

This sounds to me like another one of those "voter friendly" issues with little other basis than the next election.

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Strip joints causing public sex around them? Make a reqirement that they have a guard patrol the area, shoo away couples having sex, pick up condoms and the like. End of problem.

Of course, this isn't proposed because the "problems" are an excuse, not the true problem.
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Old 06-12-2003, 01:36 PM   #13
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Physical contact is prohibited in most states...even here in Las Vegas. It happens, but girls have been arrested.
Really? Any physical contact, or just sexual contact? I thought lap dancing in Vegas was good and legal, as in most other places.

As to the ordinance: will this stop lap dancing, or encourage more unliscensed strip clubs? How will eliminating lap dances change the kind of activity that "spills out into the neighborhoods". Maybe more things will spill out - since physical contact is banned inside the club.

*shrug*

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Heh... typical politician's (non)logic. Lessee... micro-regulating what people are allowed to do INSIDE the club will somehow affect what overly-horny patrons do OUTSIDE the club?

While I wouldn't (necessarily) argue that cracking down on activity inside will make the activities outside any WORSE, I fail to see how it will make them BETTER.

If public sex and prostitution are a problem in the areas surrounding the clubs, crack down on public sex and prostitution in the areas surrounding the clubs. If law enforcement can demonstrate a link between the two (the club's patrons or employees being the offenders or the club management not "policing" their own property well enough), then as Loren suggested, require the management to address those issues.
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Really? Any physical contact, or just sexual contact? I thought lap dancing in Vegas was good and legal, as in most other places.

As to the ordinance: will this stop lap dancing, or encourage more unliscensed strip clubs? How will eliminating lap dances change the kind of activity that "spills out into the neighborhoods". Maybe more things will spill out - since physical contact is banned inside the club.

*shrug*

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Legally, within the city limits, you can put your hands on a shoulder or knee, but cannot let any part of your body touch anywhere near the genital area. That's for topless clubs...nude clubs you are supposed to remain two feet away. In Colorado, dancers must be on a "stage" to strip...so table dances are done on little boxes.

Again, the rules are rarely enforced, but if you ever hear the Cops theme song "Bad Boys" come on in a Las Vegas strip club, the girls will move back from you as that means Vice has been spotted somewhere in town, and they usually hit all clubs at the same time. They will try to get you to give them a phone number, take their phone number, or agree to meet them outside the club. If you do any of these things you will be arrested for soliciting even if you had no intention of calling, meeting them, or gave them a phony number to shut them up.

What is enforced in most clubs by the girls themselves, is allowing customers to touch. I never let a customer put his hands on me and neither did most girls. Too hard to control and too easy for a touch to turn into a pinch, slap, or grab.
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It's a Sad Day in L.A. When a Stripper Beats a Cardinal on Morality {requires free registration}

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Strip club attorney Roger Jon Diamond was on the radio last week, railing against a Los Angeles ordinance to protect us from lap dancing and related hanky-panky that spills onto neighborhood streets.

If we're worried about vice in the community, Diamond suggested on KPCC's Larry Mantle show [program of June 11], why aren't we clamping down on churches?
[The column goes on to present the down side of lap dancing.
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