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Oraclefornia · 01-02-2003, 02:36 PM

It has always seemed God's punishments were a tad bit unjust. I mean destroying the twin sin cities for a little lewdness, and inhospitatility seemed a bit much. What also seems unjust is "judging" people's lives, and using this small time here on earth as the basis for an eternity of torment or reward. This doesn't make sense, and doesn't seem fair. What are some of the responses you have heard to this "unjust punishment" argument?

Shadownought · 01-02-2003, 02:38 PM

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What are some of the responses you have heard to this "unjust punishment" argument?

The only response I've heard is that we should not judge God as being unjust, because we are not as wise and powerful as God.

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Ronin · 01-02-2003, 06:27 PM

There is no God...I'd be more 'just' given the alleged 'attributes' of most God(s)ess(es).

Watch this ~ "Everything is perfect and there is no more pain forever."

Al-Ah-Kah-Zeeeeeeeeeee!

Selsaral · 01-02-2003, 06:50 PM

One of the arguments I've heard is that God (in his infinite power) can literally 'undo' any evil that he might inflict. He can not only later reward anyone he might kill, but he can remove their pain and longing for their former life etc. I am not too familiar with the christian bible, but I was quoted several lines that supported this thesis. I suppose this frees the christian god from any act of evil.

Ronin · 01-03-2003, 04:00 PM

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One of the arguments I've heard is that God (in his infinite power) can literally 'undo' any evil that he might inflict. He can not only later reward anyone he might kill, but he can remove their pain and longing for their former life etc. I am not too familiar with the christian bible, but I was quoted several lines that supported this thesis. I suppose this frees the christian god from any act of evil.

That's just dumb ~ not you, of course...just that assertion.

God would still be an evil a-hole for inflicting the 'evil' in the first place...granted, though, he would be the only one to 'know' he was 'evil' if, ultimately, the act is 'undone'.

But, in any event, once an evil sumbitch, etc...even given that 'without audience' scenario ~ hypothetically speaking, as per my usual.

happyboy · 01-04-2003, 04:26 PM

read the old testament. that book depicts God as a sadistic monster with a constant need for ego-masturbation.

no, God is NOT just at all.

happyboy

Shadownought · 01-04-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Selsaral
One of the arguments I've heard is that God (in his infinite power) can literally 'undo' any evil that he might inflict. He can not only later reward anyone he might kill, but he can remove their pain and longing for their former life etc. I am not too familiar with the christian bible, but I was quoted several lines that supported this thesis. I suppose this frees the christian god from any act of evil.

That doesn't make sense. I'm not even sure how it can be considered just or unjust. If some guy walked up to me and kicked me in the head, then gave me the keys to his car and walked off, I wouldn't call him good or evil- I'd call him insane.

Keith Russell · 01-04-2003, 06:24 PM

Greetings:

Before 'God' could be just--

--'God' would have to be.

Keith.

hinduwoman · 01-04-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Oraclefornia
It has always seemed God's punishments were a tad bit unjust. I mean destroying the twin sin cities for a little lewdness, and inhospitatility seemed a bit much. What also seems unjust is "judging" people's lives, and using this small time here on earth as the basis for an eternity of torment or reward. This doesn't make sense, and doesn't seem fair. What are some of the responses you have heard to this "unjust punishment" argument?

This is a question directed towards Christians. In Hinduism hell and heaven are for a limited period, and the soul gets reborn to get a second chance. So you have to find out something else about reincarnation and justice.

Amie · 01-04-2003, 10:38 PM

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This is a question directed towards Christians. In Hinduism hell and heaven are for a limited period, and the soul gets reborn to get a second chance. So you have to find out something else about reincarnation and justice.

I personally believe God is just...

Hinduwoman whats the limited time period based on?

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Oraclefornia Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bakersfield, California Posts: 10	Is God Just? It has always seemed God's punishments were a tad bit unjust. I mean destroying the twin sin cities for a little lewdness, and inhospitatility seemed a bit much. What also seems unjust is "judging" people's lives, and using this small time here on earth as the basis for an eternity of torment or reward. This doesn't make sense, and doesn't seem fair. What are some of the responses you have heard to this "unjust punishment" argument?

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01-02-2003, 06:27 PM	#3
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	There is no God...I'd be more 'just' given the alleged 'attributes' of most God(s)ess(es). Watch this ~ "Everything is perfect and there is no more pain forever." Al-Ah-Kah-Zeeeeeeeeeee!

01-02-2003, 06:50 PM	#4
Selsaral Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Posts: 3,095	One of the arguments I've heard is that God (in his infinite power) can literally 'undo' any evil that he might inflict. He can not only later reward anyone he might kill, but he can remove their pain and longing for their former life etc. I am not too familiar with the christian bible, but I was quoted several lines that supported this thesis. I suppose this frees the christian god from any act of evil.

01-04-2003, 04:26 PM	#6
happyboy Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the border between here and there, WV Posts: 373	read the old testament. that book depicts God as a sadistic monster with a constant need for ego-masturbation. no, God is NOT just at all. happyboy

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Keith Russell Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 1,336	Greetings: Before 'God' could be just-- --'God' would have to be. Keith.

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