Spaz

They're as accurate as possible. We try our best, for there is nothing more we can do, we admit that, you don't.

Infidelettante

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Originally posted by Demigawd
What are these manuscripts? Where can I find more information concerning them? Or are you just pulling this assertion out of your ass like alot of theists do when lying about their religion?
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Prove that there are earlier writings.

It is so very, very sad that the Egyptians left no records of any kind. One is at a loss as to their religious practices. What gods did they worship? What relationship did those gods have to kingship? How did this affect burial and the after life?

Sad is it not that we can never know. But, we do know that God first revealed his name to a barefoot Moses. How thrilling. I must contain myself.

JT

wildernesse

Well, what works for me in terms of worldview(including religion) is what is right and "true" for me. When I don't find my current worldview to adequately describe the world around me, I guess it will change. This has been what has happened in the past.

I don't think it would be my fault for thinking a new way or seeing the world about me in a new way. As I learn, my worldview changes. This includes religious views.

--tibac

Demigawd

Good sarcasm is a terrible thing to waste on the indoctrinated.

Goliath

Badfish,

Unproven assertion.

Sincerely,

Goliath

lpetrich

The Bible is clearly historical only back to about 900 - 1000 BCE, when Kings David and Solomon lived, and even they were somewhat exaggerated.

Before that, it's mostly mythology with some possible real history mixed in here and there. Yes, the Conquest, the Exodus, the stay in Egypt, the Patriarchs, the Tower of Babel, the Flood, etc. are all essentially mythology.

But there are written records extending farther back in nearby Middle Eastern and Eastern Mediterranean lands; Egyptian and Sumerian records go back to around 3000 BCE. And YHWH is nowhere to be found.

gilly54

Well, since the Egyptians are credited with inventing paper ( derived from papyrus), and they believed in a pantheon of gods, Osiris, Horus, Isis, Nut, Bast, Anubis, etc. I would say that their gods predate any YwHh. No proof of their religion you say? You must be joking! Egyptian tombs, obelisks and temples are real, verifiable, evidence of their god-beliefs. The Bible, on the other hand is a hand-me-down concoction of stories, unverifiable, with no original manuscripts, engravings, or other tangiable relics to prop up its god-belief validity.

fatherphil

i picked up the bible first, found what i was looking for so i stopped looking. sorry, but it was not much of a "process".

Rhea

Thank you father phil. It would seem that consistent with that approach is an aversion to evangelising. I don't know whether you evangelize. Does that match your world?

It's curious to me to claim anything is "truth" without having consciously evaluated all of the things you are calling "NOT TRUTH". Or, perhaps you are like wildernesse and your christianity is a person journey that does not claim to be "TRUTH"?

This is the heart of my question I guess. And it _IS_ a sincere question. When I think of christianity, I think of a religion which claims, simultaneously, to BE the truth and to be the argument AGAINST any other claim to truth. KWIM?

I know not _all_ Christians believe this way, but it seems like the scriptures support my understanding that it is a religion which claims to DISPROVE all others.

So that makes me honestly and sincerely wonder - what kind of path does one take to accept this claim? It _must_, it seems, include an honest evaluation of the things it is claiming to discredit.

Mustn't it?

Okay, so now that you can see you were wrong and falsely accused us of motives we do not posess, would you care to (after confessing your sin of false witness to your god and asking for humility and forgiveness) answer the question?

fatherphil

i have accepted the "Christian" truth without exploring every single belief system known to man. sometimes you just got to make a decision. as far as evangelizing, i guess i wait until asked. so if you are ever really interested, ask me (via pm). i hold to the bible as a foundation for my beliefs and avoid reading into it the things that would reinforce my predispositions although being human that i am, this is not always easy.

clearly, even in science all possible explanations are not explored fully. some are quickly discounted while others are not even sought.