Spaz

Well the way that you have described it makes it exactly the opposite of what god was supposed to have done with humans on earth, it seems that you were given free will on earth, but if you use it wrong, you go to hell, and if you use it right, you go to heaven, where it is taken away from you.

Magus55

We will have free will in Heaven - we will just be sinless - we also have experienced sin first hand and will know where it leads - thus we will have no desire to abandon Heaven for Hell.

Spaz

So there's no pain so you can like drive a car off a cliff and fall like 2000 feet hit the ground and explode and you'd be fine? cuz I've always wanted to do that

philechat

Art must suck in Heaven. I am sorry to say that, but quite often suffering is the mother of great arts. Plus most artists are heretics of one sort or another, some Pagan, some freethinkers, some practicing defiant sexual acts. For this alone I will wager for Hell. It is dissatisfaction that gives us humans the need to create and improve, never comfort.

And there would be much more diversity of worldview in Hell, wouldn't there be? To live in a world where all are of one opinion must be the most terrifying experience one can think of.

lpetrich

Spaz:
Well fuck that, I thought it was supposed to be paradise.

However, the Islamic Paradise does not have that difficulty.

Magus55

Because you'll be Da vinci in Hell? You don't get to have fun or be creative in Hell - you burn, suffer, over and over for all eternity - anyone who even slightly accepts the idea that God and Hell may exist really must not understand the concept of Hell if they want to go there. So you enjoy all the suffering in the world? Babies and women getting there throats slit and dipped in acid is appealing to you because it brings about great art?.... im not quite sure what to say to that....

And God is the author of Creation - you don't think you'll be creating stuff in Heaven? How about creating other solar systems or stars? And yes you will be able to do art in Heaven but it won't stem from pain and suffering. Hell is beyond anything you can imagine - we aren't all dead robots with one brain cell - we will be as diverse in Heaven as on Earth - you just can't commit sin, and there is no pain, suffering, death, hate, anguish.

Let me explain hell to you - you spend eternity in a giant lake of molten rock and flames - you are covered in darkness and the only thing you will be doing for eternity is gnashing teeth, screaming in agony, being haunted by the opportunity to accept God's gift, and throwing it away - and listening to other lost souls scream in pain and torment - you will no be doing art, you will not be throwing a party celebrating free thinking and individualism - because all that is good comes from God - Hell is a separation from him - all you do in Hell is suffer for eternity and there is no escape - there may be no suffering in Heaven but at least you have things to do and can be at peace and happy - still rather be in Hell? It is said that being burned alive is the most excrutiating and painful way to die - imagine feeling that forever and never getting used to it and never being extinguished - that sounds enjoyable to you?

philechat

For the love of God, this entire universe, solar systems and stars, and that aesthetically challenged book named The Bible? I am very convinced. Certainly.

Have you read the Qu'ran? They say you will grow new skin each day after the old skin burns off! Convert to Islam, my dear! Islam has an even more terrible hell than Christianity!

Magus55

The Quran isn't as accurate or logical as the Bible - it can claim all it wants - its a false book. And even if Islam were true - id rather be in Hell than in Heaven whoring out women and little boys for eternity - at least if Islam is true - ill be with Jesus in Hell...
The Quran has been found in error in many many reguards, as well as the obvious contradictions to a perfect righteous being valuing beating women and sex above all else - yes what a true religion...

Let me ask you this - supposed all us Christians turn out to be right - what do you plan on telling God before he lets you go to the place i just described to you? Do you honestly think Hell will be enjoyable?

philechat

I will accept my fate, as you would if Islam is true.

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
a perfect righteous being valuing beating women and sex above all else

As opposed to a perfect righteous being valuing circumcised penises above all else? Yes, what a true religion.

Let me ask you this - supposed all us Christians turn out to be right - what do you plan on telling God before he lets you go to the place i just described to you?

Assuming that the deity described in the bible exists, and assuming that he decides to throw me in hell ("lets me go" makes it sound like a I need a bathroom break), I would say something like, "Show me a replay. You know, like the end of the game in Civilization. I want to see exactly what happened, and when it happened."

It would be pretty entertaining. Different religions could have different colors and I could watch how they spread over the globe with crusades and jihads and so on.

Do you honestly think Hell will be enjoyable?

If there are no deluded, self-righteous, intolerant fundamentalists there, how could it not be?