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Principia · 03-04-2002, 02:09 PM

I am a newbie to this debate (if it can be called a debate). Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are EvC forums hosted by Creationists? It seems a tad unfair for the few intrepid Creationists to post here and get drowned by the Evolutionist majority.

Thanks,
SC

tgamble · 03-04-2002, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scientiae:
I am a newbie to this debate (if it can be called a debate). Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are EvC forums hosted by Creationists? It seems a tad unfair for the few intrepid Creationists to post here and get drowned by the Evolutionist majority.Thanks,
SC

oh indeed they do. The ICR has a forum with free open debate.

Only YECs are welcome.

No theistic evolutionists!

No atheists!

No old earth creationists!

No intelligent thinking people of any kind! It's to dangerous.

Pantera · 03-04-2002, 03:08 PM

A few that spring to mind. Quality of debate varies - check them out for yourself.

<a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=36" target="_blank">Baptist Board</a>

<a href="http://www.theologyonline.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=c451406371cdf0bd4f2162b72395736 9&forumid=7" target="_blank">Theology Online</a>

<a href="http://www.kipertek.com/cgi-bin/wsmbb/wsmbb.cgi?SB+IONRYOBQJJ/NWOZLJELOQ+apologetic" target="_blank">Apologetics.org</a>

<a href="http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro" target="_blank">arn</a> (Hosted by IDers rather than creationists)

<a href="http://www.apologetics.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=4" target="_blank">Apologetics.com</a>

DireStraits · 03-04-2002, 03:19 PM

I am a newbie to this debate (if it can be called a debate).

DS: First, welcome! Secondly, the debate was over decades ago. It is simply a matter now of trying to educate creationists as to why the debate no longer exists in the scientific community. It is not an easy job, but someone's got to do it.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are EvC forums hosted by Creationists?

DS: Go here: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#discussion" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#discussion</a>

Some of the sites are creationist-run, some are evo-run, some are neutral. Have a poke around

It seems a tad unfair for the few intrepid Creationists to post here and get drowned by the Evolutionist majority.

DS: Well, "intrepid" is not the adjective that I would use to describe creationists who post on discussion boards of this type. The phrase "Fools rush in." comes to mind. The number of evolutionists does not matter. One dedicated evolutionist could cover all the objections that creationists make as long as he was willing to spend all day at it. There havn't been any new objections for about fifty years, but creationists don't know this.

Another point to keep in mind. The creo-run boards tend to be very touchy about the WAY people express their ideas, and there is a very definite bias in favor of creationists. This is because the creos do not have any facts on their side.

Evo-run boards allow a much greater latitude from either side, and for the converse reason.

So you will see that creo-run boards are run like a little old ladies' tea party ("Mercy me, she said 'damn'!. No cussing, Martha!"), whereas creo-run boards can sometimes look like roadhouses where the occasional bar-room brawl breaks out. The performance of creos and evos from the point of view of actual discussion on either type of board is approximately the same, it's just that virtually no-one from either side gets thrown out of the roadhouse, and only evos get thrown out of the little old ladies' tea party.

As I said, have a poke around, take your time, and get back to ussall after a few weeks or so.

And welcome aboard.

Coragyps · 03-04-2002, 03:48 PM

ICR's forum is <a href="http://www.icr.org/discussion/boardpower.cgi" target="_blank">here.</a> I've been over there, "passing", for months, but lately it's been as dead as a hammer. Come on over and post something not-too-confrontational, and I'll "refute" your evilutionary scumbag lies.

Coragyps

edited to add: Don't use your name from here at II.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]

S2Focus · 03-04-2002, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coragyps:
ICR's forum is <a href="http://www.icr.org/discussion/boardpower.cgi" target="_blank">here.</a> I've been over there, "passing", for months, but lately it's been as dead as a hammer. Come on over and post something not-too-confrontational, and I'll "refute" your evilutionary scumbag lies.

Coragyps

edited to add: Don't use your name from here at II.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]

Heh heh -- I clicked on the "register" link and got a "sorry -- this page is missing" message.

It looks like the ICR web-site administers have figured out that disabling the registration page is the best way to keep those pesky evilutionists at bay.

notto · 03-04-2002, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coragyps:
ICR's forum is <a href="http://www.icr.org/discussion/boardpower.cgi" target="_blank">here.</a> I've been over there, "passing", for months, but lately it's been as dead as a hammer. Come on over and post something not-too-confrontational, and I'll "refute" your evilutionary scumbag lies.

Coragyps

edited to add: Don't use your name from here at II.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]

You're not posing and a Muslim Creationist on this thread are you?

<a href="http://www.icr.org/discussion/discussion.cgi?forum=26&discussion=19" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/discussion/discussion.cgi?forum=26&discussion=19</a>

It will be interesting to see how long this thread lasts before either A: the Muslim is banned or B: They tell him about Jesus.

Coragyps · 03-04-2002, 04:59 PM

S2Focus: Those sorry sumbiches! I really wanted to stir something up, and gplant never shows up anymore!

Notto: no, the Muslim's been there a long time, but never has said much.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]

Quetzal · 03-04-2002, 09:37 PM

Hi Scientiae: Other than II, which has probably the most intelligent evo posters on the 'net, my particular favorite is <a href="http://www.evcforum.net" target="_blank">Evolution vs. Creationism</a>. The forum is run by a mostly-evo (albeit Christian) Admin, and is very open. You can see most of the real simplistic fundies (there's half-a-dozen regulars), and an occasional "more intelligent" creationist (three or four pop by on a regular basis). In spite of an unfortunate design (the black background takes some getting used to), the site has some good debates. It's a great place to "get your feet wet" without having it be in a totally hostile/unnatural environment (like ARN) or being blown away by the braniac evos (like II*).

*II does provide an outstanding "training ground" for those who sally forth to battle the evils of cretinism... Every single cretinist argument in existence has been utterly flattened by the folks at II. Even the newest ideas get punished here - somethimes even before the cretinists hear about it! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

Principia · 03-04-2002, 09:58 PM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the tips. I've been learning on those sites a lot about the evo-cre debate and trying to understand the points from each side (though admittedly my education in the biological sciences is biasing my views). It amazes me how much the Creationist arguments have 'evolved' since first hearing about them years ago when learning about Scopes Trial. I will follow this and the other forums closely because of a recent encounter with a proponent of Behe's Intelligent Design theory. I found myself in doubt of the theory but could not find the arguments against it. Next time, I'll be better prepared =)

SC

03-04-2002, 02:09 PM	#1
Principia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: anywhere Posts: 1,976	Creationist forums I am a newbie to this debate (if it can be called a debate). Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are EvC forums hosted by Creationists? It seems a tad unfair for the few intrepid Creationists to post here and get drowned by the Evolutionist majority. Thanks, SC

03-04-2002, 03:48 PM	#5
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	ICR's forum is <a href="http://www.icr.org/discussion/boardpower.cgi" target="_blank">here.</a> I've been over there, "passing", for months, but lately it's been as dead as a hammer. Come on over and post something not-too-confrontational, and I'll "refute" your evilutionary scumbag lies. Coragyps edited to add: Don't use your name from here at II. [ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]</p>

03-04-2002, 04:59 PM	#8
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	S2Focus: Those sorry sumbiches! I really wanted to stir something up, and gplant never shows up anymore! Notto: no, the Muslim's been there a long time, but never has said much. [ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Coragyps ]</p>

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03-04-2002, 03:08 PM	#3
Pantera Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cambridge, England, but a Scot at heart Posts: 2,431	A few that spring to mind. Quality of debate varies - check them out for yourself. <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=36" target="_blank">Baptist Board</a> <a href="http://www.theologyonline.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=c451406371cdf0bd4f2162b72395736 9&forumid=7" target="_blank">Theology Online</a> <a href="http://www.kipertek.com/cgi-bin/wsmbb/wsmbb.cgi?SB+IONRYOBQJJ/NWOZLJELOQ+apologetic" target="_blank">Apologetics.org</a> <a href="http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro" target="_blank">arn</a> (Hosted by IDers rather than creationists) <a href="http://www.apologetics.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=4" target="_blank">Apologetics.com</a>

03-04-2002, 03:19 PM	#4
DireStraits Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 81	I am a newbie to this debate (if it can be called a debate). DS: First, welcome! Secondly, the debate was over decades ago. It is simply a matter now of trying to educate creationists as to why the debate no longer exists in the scientific community. It is not an easy job, but someone's got to do it. Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are EvC forums hosted by Creationists? DS: Go here: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#discussion" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#discussion</a> Some of the sites are creationist-run, some are evo-run, some are neutral. Have a poke around It seems a tad unfair for the few intrepid Creationists to post here and get drowned by the Evolutionist majority. DS: Well, "intrepid" is not the adjective that I would use to describe creationists who post on discussion boards of this type. The phrase "Fools rush in." comes to mind. The number of evolutionists does not matter. One dedicated evolutionist could cover all the objections that creationists make as long as he was willing to spend all day at it. There havn't been any new objections for about fifty years, but creationists don't know this. Another point to keep in mind. The creo-run boards tend to be very touchy about the WAY people express their ideas, and there is a very definite bias in favor of creationists. This is because the creos do not have any facts on their side. Evo-run boards allow a much greater latitude from either side, and for the converse reason. So you will see that creo-run boards are run like a little old ladies' tea party ("Mercy me, she said 'damn'!. No cussing, Martha!"), whereas creo-run boards can sometimes look like roadhouses where the occasional bar-room brawl breaks out. The performance of creos and evos from the point of view of actual discussion on either type of board is approximately the same, it's just that virtually no-one from either side gets thrown out of the roadhouse, and only evos get thrown out of the little old ladies' tea party. As I said, have a poke around, take your time, and get back to ussall after a few weeks or so. And welcome aboard.

03-04-2002, 09:37 PM	#9
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Hi Scientiae: Other than II, which has probably the most intelligent evo posters on the 'net, my particular favorite is <a href="http://www.evcforum.net" target="_blank">Evolution vs. Creationism</a>. The forum is run by a mostly-evo (albeit Christian) Admin, and is very open. You can see most of the real simplistic fundies (there's half-a-dozen regulars), and an occasional "more intelligent" creationist (three or four pop by on a regular basis). In spite of an unfortunate design (the black background takes some getting used to), the site has some good debates. It's a great place to "get your feet wet" without having it be in a totally hostile/unnatural environment (like ARN) or being blown away by the braniac evos (like II). II does provide an outstanding "training ground" for those who sally forth to battle the evils of cretinism... Every single cretinist argument in existence has been utterly flattened by the folks at II. Even the newest ideas get punished here - somethimes even before the cretinists hear about it! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

03-04-2002, 09:58 PM	#10
Principia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: anywhere Posts: 1,976	Hey guys, Thanks for the tips. I've been learning on those sites a lot about the evo-cre debate and trying to understand the points from each side (though admittedly my education in the biological sciences is biasing my views). It amazes me how much the Creationist arguments have 'evolved' since first hearing about them years ago when learning about Scopes Trial. I will follow this and the other forums closely because of a recent encounter with a proponent of Behe's Intelligent Design theory. I found myself in doubt of the theory but could not find the arguments against it. Next time, I'll be better prepared =) SC

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