Mike H

Click here, if you can stomach it.

I cannot express just how horrified I was to see this. It's as if you managed to combine the typical thought processes and mentality of an adult creationist with that of a rebellious adolescent.

pz

It makes my eyes hurt to read that tiny light blue text on a medium blue background. The content that I could decipher was pure drivel.

What the heck is the matter with these people? That's just plain horrible writing.

Coragyps

Chris Grose, who wrote at least parts of that stuff, is on another discussion board I go to. He has an almost superhuman ability to ignore data contrary to his "theories," for example in a multipage discussion of the petrified trees at Specimen Ridge in Yellowstone Park - he says "flood surges" laid all those soil horizons, with rooted trees, in one year. To be fair, though, he is a kid, and I have seen him admit "that's a serious problem for my scenario" in a couple of instances.
He's True creation here.

sensate

It's a training ground for creationist science vandals.

The Lone Ranger

It gets worse. In his profile, Chris Grose writes: "Unbiased Scientific Inquiry is the basis for veracious knowledge and understanding. In deposition of my juvenility, I should not be underestimated."

According to its website, the Organization for Young Scientists Inquiry has exactly two members, Chris Grose (age 16) and Chase Nelson (age 14), both of whom identify themselves as Young-Earth Creationists.

While they both seem to be perfectly capable of writing in a pseudo-scientific style*, it's abundantly clear that they're both desperately in need of learning what science is, and how it's done.

* More precisely, they write in what doubtless seems like a properly "scientific" style to a bright 14-year-old. It comes across almost more as parody than serious writing, though (much less serious science).

I think this neatly sums up their perspective -- from Chase Nelson's profile: "It's not really a question of who is biased, but which bias is the correct bias with which to be biased! -Jonathan D. Sarfati"

Kind of puts their claim that the OYSI is "entirely neutral" into perspective.

Edited to add:
The more I read on that site, the more depressing it becomes. It must be gratifying to believe that you've disproved pretty-much all of "mainstream science" at the age of 16.

Cheers,

Michael

johngalt

i hope i don't have nightmares from that. Ahhh, blue on blue!!!

Valentine Pontifex

To give them their due, OYSI says it wants evolutionists to write articles for them as well. I see no reason to doubt their word. The odds that an appropriate young evolutionist deciding to join the site sounds like of unlikely to me though.

But regardless of their intentions until they have pro-evolution articles, OYSE is for all practical purposes a pro-creationism site.

Valentine Pontifex

And it does not help that the make the width of the homepage wider than the screens that a large numbers of people use. They really should dump the structure of their homepage. I don't see any reason for them to use Javascript either. Well I guess I should not get on them too much for that. There are plenty of adult web masters who don't understand that just because one can use javascript, etc. does not mean one has to. Less worry about fancy features and more worry about making a site that can be effectively read and navigated is needed by them. Poor content notwithstanding, one can make a large catalog of things that should be done from this web site.

And for heaven's sake, one would have to be crazy to download an executable from a site ran by children. It not that I think they would intentionally do such a thing -- I don't.


There are children? I would not get on them for that.

Quetzal

And to add to this, TC has gone from an original stance of pure idiot YEC fundy to a realization over the last year or so that Hovind, AiG, etc are filled to the gills with utterly bogus biology. He is close to accepting organic evolution pretty much as mainstream. I actually witnessed him shredding a hovind-kiddy who pasted the usual Dr. Dino drivel as well as any evolutionist could have. Now if we could just get him to admit that all that evolution he accepts occurred in 4 gy rather than 4 ky, he'd be all the way home. Chase Nelson, on the other hand...

Valentine Pontifex

Well he is very young. If he really keeps up his studies he might very well realize after some time that they are full of beans....