B. H. Manners

Hello Christians,


If you believe on faith like the Bible says, how do you know for a fact you have not been decieved into believing error that had been inserted into the Bible by Satan or con men without an absolute objective way to measure God's idea of right an wrong?


It is a proven fact that the Bible has been redacted and even the church fathers to some extent. The Book of Jeremiah alone has had 1/3 of it either added on or taken away over time. The Qumran and Septuagint versions of Jeremiah are 1/3 shorter than the Masoretic copy and similar in content in contrast to the latter.


There are also other passages in other Bible books not found in some but others.

Magus55

Well, if Satan exists, God exists, and God wouldn't allow Satan to corrupt the Bible, and the Holy Spirit proves the validity of the Bible to us. I also don't know any con men capable of something like the Bible, they of course would also have to have lived for 3000 years to complete it, and not even Adam lived that long

B. H. Manners

How do you know that God would stop Satan from corrupting the Bible? Did the Bible give you that idea? Yet it is corrupt and the passages giving credence to your opinion could have been put there by the devil or con men to further convince you to follow the parts they wanted you to.

Can you provide absolute objective empirical evidence proving that God would not allow Satan to corrupt the BIble? Or, that God could stop him?

It is also just your subjective opinion that con men could not make the Bible.

B. H. Manners

How do you know using only your subjective opinions of what is "good" and "bad" that the Holy Ghost is really not Satan masquerading as light?

You guys always jump us saying that we have no right to condemn the Bible because we use only subjective ideas of good,bad,right and wrong.

Well, you are just using subjective opinions now too.

Magus55

And its your subjective opinion that they could. Many of the events and places in the Bible are proven through archaeology. There are extra biblical accounts of Jesus, his crucifiction under Pontius Pilate, the Apostles etc. And the Apostles gave testimony of the accuracy of the Bible, which resulted in their death. Con men, con people to get something out of it other than death.

And as I said, the Holy Spirit proves the validity of the Bible to us. Something the unbeliever can't understand.

Godless Wonder

L. Ron Hubbard, inventor of Scientology springs to mind. Whether his writings are "like the Bible" is another question. They are "like the Bible" at least in the sense that there exist people who take it all very seriously.

As an aside: Many people claim the Bible is great literature, even if they might not agree it is divinely inspired. I recently read a good portion of it for the first time. I was hugely disappointed in it, even as "just" literature. I was expecting so much more from the book which is the foundation of Christianity. I was truly disappointed in humanity. Perhaps it (the Bible) was oversold to me. I will say this: I don't doubt the Bible contains better writing than that of L. Ron Hubbard.

Magus55

And what part of the Bible did you read, and why weren't you satisfied? You can't read one part of the Bible for 5 mins, and say well that wasn't good. The Bible takes a lifetime of studying to understand the complexity and depth behind it. Doctors of theology, who have the bible memorized still haven't understood all the depth and meaning to the Bible. The Bible is not something you can just read once, and understand completely. That is one thing that makes it so special and unique, its complexity and depth is unlike any other. Especially considering the harmony in which dozens of authors, over a 2-3000 year time span present.

Secular Pinoy

Harmony? What harmony? Perhaps you care to refute these: A Perfect Work of Harmony?, Another Flaw in the Perfect-Harmony Theory and More Trouble for the Perfect-Harmony Theory, all from The Skeptical Review.

Doctor X

Indeed, we cannot blame Satan for incompatable genealogies, incompatable birth narratives, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

--J.D.

B. H. Manners

"And its your subjective opinion that they could."

Hell yes---because that is what I would do if I could, my intent being on misleading mankind and all. Now, what absolute objective value do you have that tells us just what is from God and not con men or Satan? You have been brainwashed into having faith, and that faith is the answer. The devil very well may be using that doctrine to your own detriment and you wouldn't be able to know, after all you just believe.

Anyway, how in hell do you know that the devil may be the one responsible for the parts saying "love your neighbor" and that God is in fact behind the evil?



""Many of the events and places in the Bible are proven through archaeology."""

No jack. The Iliad has had lots of stuff confirmed by archeology as well including the existence of Paris and many of the cities mentioned in the great poem. The Epic of Gilgamesh lists real places and people too.

"There are extra biblical accounts of Jesus, his crucifiction under Pontius Pilate, the Apostles etc."

Yes, and many challenged them as being fake.

"And the Apostles gave testimony of the accuracy of the Bible, which resulted in their death."

There are different traditions about where the apostles went and how they died. How do we know you have not been deceived there too?

"Con men, con people to get something out of it other than death."

Jim Jones was a con man and obviously did not care about death. Perhaps they, like Jones, would rather die out of spite than give up what they had through their conning. Ever heard about David Koresh? I work in Waco and have met people who still believe he is the messiah!

"And as I said, the Holy Spirit proves the validity of the Bible to us. Something the unbeliever can't understand."

No, I understand just fine. You assume the Holy Ghost speaks to you but you have no way to know if its your own thoughts decieving you or some Iblis. Anyone who says different is a liar.

Please provide absolute objective empirical evidence that the holy ghost confirms the Bible.