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Clarice O'C · 07-21-2002, 08:17 AM

Greetings,

Earl Doherty's, "Some Comments on Richard Carrier's Review of The Jesus Puzzle" is now available on his website.

Earl requested that we post both of his links because the Jesus Puzzle novel is on only one of them.

Pass it on:

<a href="http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/CarrierComment.htm" target="_blank">http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/CarrierComment.htm</a>

<a href="http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/CarrierComment.htm" target="_blank">http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/CarrierComment.htm</a>

While I'm here I'll say that we are open for discussion of Earl's comments at JesusMysteries. It sure would be nice if Infidels members would share their knowledge and expertise with us also.
With author's approval cross-posting is fine as Infidels members post material relevant to JM as well; replies will be different. Currently we are working on the Dead Sea Scrolls, gospels dating, and so on. You are cordially invited.

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/</a>

Cheers,
Clarice

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: Clarice O'C ]

Toto · 07-21-2002, 12:33 PM

This sounds like the beginning of a dialogue that may lead to a greater understanding of what actually happened.

I am bothered by the comment

Quote:

If I were a part of the mainstream New Testament industry, I could perhaps find a publisher to finance a two-volume work. Sigh. This is not being facetious.

although I am sure it is true.

Clarice O'C · 07-21-2002, 05:03 PM

This sounds like the beginning of a dialogue that may lead to a greater understanding of what actually happened.

Hi Toto!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean above. What happened that we need a greater understanding of?

I am bothered by the comment

quote:

If I were a part of the mainstream New Testament industry, I could perhaps find a publisher to finance a two-volume work. Sigh. This is not being facetious.

although I am sure it is true.

I think that people have been perking up to the importance of Earl's work. I've seen this evolving over the past two years, especially in discussion groups where the mythicist view had never been taken seriously before. Now it's being talked about all over the net. I'll bet that mainstream will happen and I'm not even a prophet, thank goodness.

Clarice

Clarice O'C · 07-21-2002, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clarice O'C:
This sounds like the beginning of a dialogue that may lead to a greater understanding of what actually happened.

Hi Toto!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean above. What happened that we need a greater understanding of?

I am bothered by the comment

quote:

If I were a part of the mainstream New Testament industry, I could perhaps find a publisher to finance a two-volume work. Sigh. This is not being facetious.

although I am sure it is true.

I think that people have been perking up to the importance of Earl's work. I've seen this evolving over the past two years, especially in discussion groups where the mythicist view had never been taken seriously before. Now it's being talked about all over the net. I'll bet that mainstream will happen for Earl and I'm not even a prophet(ess), thank goodness.

Clarice

[Edited because I've never written a perfect post but I keep trying. Anyway, I haven't caught on to how to use this board. Wish there was a preview button.]

Toto · 07-21-2002, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clarice O'C:
This sounds like the beginning of a dialogue that may lead to a greater understanding of what actually happened.

Hi Toto!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean above. What happened that we need a greater understanding of?

Well, maybe nothing happened. But somehow Christianity got started, and has spread over the world, to generally ill effect. Even people who are not Christians have accepted the ideal of a self-sacrificing savior and other parts of Christian morality. Christians have also contributed bizarre ideas about the apolcalypse to the world market place of ideas. If we had a more realistic picture of early Christianity with all of its warts and irrational thinking, perhaps the world could move forward.

Toto · 07-21-2002, 05:35 PM

Hi Clarice - it looks like you clicked on the "reply" icon instead of the "edit" icon. We've all done that at least once. At some point, we're scheduled to get new software, probably just when you get used to this.

Welcome to the Boards.

Ted Hoffman · 07-22-2002, 07:11 AM

Hi Clarice,
I would especially like to point our Earl's comment which appeared as below:

Quote:

I’ll ask his pardon if I am reading too much into his remarks, but this is a fallacious argument I often find myself having to counter. There may well be or have been unicorns: it’s just that no one has yet uncovered evidence for them. Well, we can only go by the evidence we do have. We can only judge by the cases that have been made. We cannot call on the possibility of non-existent evidence that may have been lost, or may in the future be unearthed (possibilities that are regularly suggested to me). We cannot call on the possibility of effective counter-cases that someone may one day put forward. If and when that happens, then we can re-evaluate the situation. Until that time, reasoned and merited judgments must be made on the basis of what we do possess in the way of evidence and argumentation. (One might note that a vast number of books have already been written about Jesus—far more than on unicorns—and not one so far has provided such a case.)

(emphasis mine).
I think that sums it up. ABE and AfS. Until that time
What do Historical Jesus proponents say? Some say Mark couldnt have written about such a "negative" character unless it was a real character (a version of embarrasment criterion or appeal to incomprehension), Jesus was a cynic sage (and all sorts of other pericopes) and a few quotes from historians, all of which have feet of clay.
I think Earl has done a great Job.

07-21-2002, 08:17 AM	#1
Clarice O'C Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 408	Earl Doherty's Comments on Richard Carrier's Review Greetings, Earl Doherty's, "Some Comments on Richard Carrier's Review of The Jesus Puzzle" is now available on his website. Earl requested that we post both of his links because the Jesus Puzzle novel is on only one of them. Pass it on: <a href="http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/CarrierComment.htm" target="_blank">http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/CarrierComment.htm</a> <a href="http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/CarrierComment.htm" target="_blank">http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/CarrierComment.htm</a> While I'm here I'll say that we are open for discussion of Earl's comments at JesusMysteries. It sure would be nice if Infidels members would share their knowledge and expertise with us also. With author's approval cross-posting is fine as Infidels members post material relevant to JM as well; replies will be different. Currently we are working on the Dead Sea Scrolls, gospels dating, and so on. You are cordially invited. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/</a> Cheers, Clarice [ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: Clarice O'C ]</p>

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07-21-2002, 05:03 PM	#3
Clarice O'C Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 408	This sounds like the beginning of a dialogue that may lead to a greater understanding of what actually happened. Hi Toto! I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean above. What happened that we need a greater understanding of? I am bothered by the comment quote: If I were a part of the mainstream New Testament industry, I could perhaps find a publisher to finance a two-volume work. Sigh. This is not being facetious. although I am sure it is true. I think that people have been perking up to the importance of Earl's work. I've seen this evolving over the past two years, especially in discussion groups where the mythicist view had never been taken seriously before. Now it's being talked about all over the net. I'll bet that mainstream will happen and I'm not even a prophet, thank goodness. Clarice

07-21-2002, 05:35 PM	#6
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Hi Clarice - it looks like you clicked on the "reply" icon instead of the "edit" icon. We've all done that at least once. At some point, we're scheduled to get new software, probably just when you get used to this. Welcome to the Boards.

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