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Old 08-05-2003, 04:37 PM   #61
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Warning : the following links are to pictures that are graphic and deeply disturbing.

Maybe you could tell me what you see when you look at

Harlequin Fetus
I know this is wrong of me to say, but damn that's cool...
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Old 08-05-2003, 08:48 PM   #62
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I chose to answer the OP. Maybe I'll join in the discussion later.
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When I look a my 11 month old son, I see wonder, beauty, amazement and the presence of God...

What would you see?
<for best effect, please read out loud in a complete monotone>I would see a carbon-based life form, with 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose, a mouth, 2 arms, and 2 legs, in a bilaterally symmetrical arrangement. It would be between 21 and 27 inches in length, and would mass between 17.6 and 39.6 kilograms.

Seriously, I'd see possibility. I'd see the amazing variation that exists between people, and how we all start at the same stage as this new person. I'd also see inspiration, as babies explore, and learn many things very quickly. Finally, I'd see a person, young and defenseless, whom is one of the many for whom I endeavour to make the world a better place.

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When I look at an amazing sunset, I see a god given free work of art.

What would you see?
Most likely, the stadium lights from Beaver Stadium (the PSU 100,000+ seating football monstrosity) blocking out anything beautiful.

Again, seriously, I'd see an incredibly beautiful work of art, all the more impressive due to the vast scale, and the fact that it was created without any intent. I would be in awe of the wonder that is our atmosphere; in any volume I can observe as such, it appears clear, and yet, it scatters blue light more efficiently than red, making it appear blue, when one looks through enough of it. I would be in awe of the thermonuclear furnace that is the sun; that it can produce such radiance, and such color, from 93 million miles away; and that it is so huge that it appears so large, from such a great distance.
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When I look at you, I would see a child of God, someone divine, precious and full of significance. If you looked at me, what would you see? (keep sarcasm to a minimum if possible )
I'd see several things: first of all, I'd see something amazing: the product of a billion years of competition, and survival. An incredibly complex, organic machine.
Secondly, I'd see something unique: a sentient being, one not quite like any other (save, possibly, other versions of you, as per the Everett interpretation, or people from so far away that the universe has repeated itself), someone unique. I'd see a fantastically rare occurrence in the universe (even if it's pretty common to have a star system inhabited by sentient beings, that's still a tiny percent of the universe).

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When someone dies that I love, I see a vision of hope, salvation and glory for that person. What do you see?
I see a natural part of life: the end. I see loss for myself, and for others, that we will be deprived of this person's company. And I see a reminder that all is transient, and that, because of this, one cannot waste what precious little time one has worrying about might-have-beens, or what one lacks.

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When I look at my life, I see a God given world of choices, experiences and the free-will to live my life in the kingdom of God. What do you see?
I see all that I will ever have, which, to me, is far more amazing than seeing something given by someone else. I owe my life to every one of my ancestors, yet I owe my lifetime and myself to no one. As I see it, the debt I owe my ancestors is to live my life as well as possible, and to be a good ancestor to any descendents I might have.

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When you look deep inside yourself, and wonder who you really are, what do you see? I see myself as a protected member of Gods holy family.
I see myself as many things. I see myself as a curious monkey, trying to learn the secrets of the universe, for no better reason than that I don't yet know. I see myself as a variable: the actions I take can cause effects I never imagined. I see myself as an individual, in some ways like everyone, in some ways like most people, in some ways like very few, all in a combination not quite like anyone else. I see myself as a reasonable being, questing for truth. I see myself as someone dedicated to making the world a better place, for 3 reasons: first of all, so that I may enjoy it; secondly, so that those who live in the future may enjoy it; and, most importantly, just for the sake of making things better.

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Do you have hope in our life? Do you have meaning? Do you feel that you have any kind of significance?
Do I have hope in my life? Sometimes. Sometimes I think I(or someone else) will make the world a better place, and that all the bad things that happen will be have been worth it. Sometimes I think we're all screwed, and the best thing that could happen is for us all to die quick and painlessly.
Do I have meaning? Certainly: I mean something to myself, and to those around me, and I hope to create further meaning by making the world around me a better place: in fact, so long as some product of those improvements last, I will have meaning, even when I am forgotten completely. If humanity is no more, then I still will have had meaning.
Do I feel that I have any kind of significance? See my response on meaning, with the following addendum: In the end, my life, for all my joys and sorrows, toils, sweat, troubles, and laughter, and any improvements I might make in someone's condition, will have meaning only so far as humans are concerned; this is all I could want. It bothers me not at all that, to the universe as a whole, I will be less than nothing.

Does this answer your questions?
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Who gives a sh*t about reality?! [/B]
Obviously you don't. You prefer to lie to yourself, believing in something you know isn't true just to make yourself feel better.

You're the intellectual equivalent of an alcoholic.
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Warning : the following links are to pictures that are graphic and deeply disturbing.

Maybe you could tell me what you see when you look at

Harlequin Fetus

In fact, maybe you can look through the images and decriptions here and tell me what you see
I see horror, pain and immense suffering. Those pictures hurt me deeply and left me feeling shaken. I need to think more about this and will come back to you.
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Obviously you don't. You prefer to lie to yourself, believing in something you know isn't true just to make yourself feel better.

You're the intellectual equivalent of an alcoholic.
Your insight into anothers mind is astounding and could be considered rude. What do you see when you turn your own intellect on yourself?
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Thank you for your post. I enjoyed it and feel that I have learnt from it. great stuff!
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Old 08-06-2003, 07:35 AM   #67
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Obviously you don't. You prefer to lie to yourself, believing in something you know isn't true just to make yourself feel better.

You're the intellectual equivalent of an alcoholic.
Yet another man appoints himself judge...
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Old 08-06-2003, 07:44 AM   #68
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When I see a very young baby, I have almost always seen Winston Churchill with hair.
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I wonder: what were the sins of the poor mother that gave birth to the Harlequin Fetus?
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I see horror, pain and immense suffering. Those pictures hurt me deeply and left me feeling shaken. I need to think more about this and will come back to you.
Yes, The Problem of Evil (also could be called The Problem of Suffering) is a tough one. Many apologists are able to justify these horrors as God's will or Divine Plan...that doesn't work on many people. In fact, I am willing to bet many deconversions were based on these types of issues.
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