David M. Payne

Are authoritarian Marxist/Fascist dogmas comparable to authoritarian religious dogmas?

There are sure some similarities to religion as far as actual structure of the leadership of both. Top down with the leader the ultimate authority in any matter he wishes. And they both depend upon the "Faith" that their dogmas are right. Religion because they can't prove the existence of God, and without God, religion has no point other than "The Usual," money, power and influence. Same thing for the secular authoritarian dogmas such as Marxist and Fascist dogma, they are after "The Usual" too. They also have no proof that their dogma works, as there is no real viable example right now to show us. So they must present their case the same way the theist present the case for God, you got to believe baby! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

It's kind of amusing when you think about it. Hmm, This would also fit in Gen. Religious discussions, so here it is.

David

Thieving Magpie

I do not doubt that they are comparable for the reasons you mentioned, but I would also think that almost any dogma follows the little black sheep called faith, so in the same way that Christianity may be compared to fascism, fascism and Christianity can both be compared to 'rational science.' Logic cannot be proved, ergo, faith is required.

Shake

In a similar thread earlier this year, I argued that the combination of the two in a state with a national religion would simply serve to reinforce the "legality" of such a ruler and anything that they said. A totalitarian leader who could assume control of the church of the country would have double authority of the people (as perceived by the leader of course). They're not only comparable, they can be combined with ease, much to the dismay of the ruled.

Thieving Magpie

I do remember that thread, but i should also say that 'the ruled' may not always be 'the dismayed' in this circumstance.

David M. Payne

What a scary combo, isn't it Shake? Didn't Franco in Spain do something along those lines?

David

Thieving Magpie

Perhaps, but I do remember something about Hitler trying to write his own version of the Bible so that state and Church could be a more unified 'one.'

David M. Payne

The perfect authoritarian state, God and Hitler under the same banner.

David


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