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Old 08-08-2003, 04:34 PM   #41
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The scientific and technological advances have improved the quality of life, but they still leave us in a rootless position as to the big picture - the purpose of the whole thing.
As does religion which offers only tall tales and not real answers
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Betterment, better.....better than what. Again, betterment implies purpose, please tell me what this purpose is.
Quite simply to make life simpler, less painful and less harsh than it would be without the discoveries that constitute science.

Going back to my original position: If a theist believes that god dictates that man should toil over the land; then the invention of the scythe is impossible, or at best heretical. Here then, there are two clear options: adopt the invention of the scythe and use it for agriculture, making it easier for mankind to reap the harvest, or to shun the scythe; forever leaving mankind to pick corn by hand.

If mankind adopts the scythe, further inventions may follow - eventually leading to the combine harvester, which means that many men do not need to toil the land. Which means that the law of our original theist has been broken, but mankind is now better off. Those that need not toil the land can now discover medicine, or rubber, or metalurgy, or horse riding.

Betterment is not an aim it is a consequence of scientific endeavour.
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Only a small portion (per capita) was christian at that time, and obviously technology has advanced since then.
Almost every single solitary person in Europe during the Dark Ages was a Christian. If you weren't your life was a living hell.

Technology is not a production of Atheism,
Strawman. Atheism does not prevent science from advancing. Christianity has a consistent history, from the murder of Hypatia to the banning of stem cell research, of doing just that.

Atheist would like to use it without moral taboos. Bear in mind that those taboos are both good and bad
Bear in mind that Atheist have a morality equal to and in some cases superior to yours. But they do not make decisions based on superstition and "taboos".
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That's because ancient religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are based on antiquated bronze-age texts. It's what happens when you base your worldview on flat-earth books. Greek paganism is way more advanced than Jewish or Christian monotheism, because the Greeks had insight into scientific matters and free inquiry in philosophy.
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JusticeMachine, I have no belief in the supernatural whatsoever. Most people here, from what I have read, feel the same way that I do. As you said before many people, by default, will accept a supernatural answer to an event which is unexplained. Lightning, for example, was once considered supernatural in origin. We obviously have a much better understanding of it's nature with todays technological advancements.

You go on to say that you do not believe that Atheism (not a religion) will ever become as popular as mainstream religions because it doesn't explain anything. Let me ask you this: If people believed that Zeus was responsible for each and every lightning bolt struck down upon the earth is that an explanation? Is that an acceptable explanation for an event? Are you satisfied with the ability of that statement to answer the question : "HOW/WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?"

Does a supernatural explanaation EVER EXPLAIN ANYTHING?

Just because a specific person or religion claims to have an answer to an unexplainable event DOES NOT mean that it is more valid than saying you don't have an answer. The only thing that CAN be said about such an event is simply "I DON'T KNOW" until some evidence is provided.

Evidence is the key.
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They seem to band with athiest only for the reason that they share the same hate of christians and the established church.
Naw....its more like, reproaching the bigotry, dogma, extremism, hatred, incorrigibility, injustice, intolerance, madness, obsessiveness, obstinacy, prejudice, rage, single-mindedness, superstition, unfairness, violence, zealotry that christianity often brings to the table while still being appreciative of the individual.
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