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Minnesota · 04-09-2003, 08:00 AM

Ergaster,

To be fair, in some classification schemes the hyena is put on equal footing, as a family, with the cats and dogs. And, the suborder, Feliformia, mentioned in your link, is not recognized.

ORDER: Carnivora

SUBORDER: Fissipedia

FAMILIES:
.........Felida (cats)
.........Canidae (dogs)
.........Hyaenidae (hyenas)

See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy...hmode=1&unlock

Writer@Large · 04-09-2003, 08:12 AM

Here's one the cretinists always squirm over ...

What "kind": super-hero or soy sauce?

Okay, back to the serious discussion ...

--W@L

Celsus · 04-09-2003, 08:17 PM

Today's special treat is brought to you by the class Hexapoda (six-legged insects). Is it a grasshopper, praying mantis, stick insect?

All wrong, it's from an entirely new order of insects, classified just last year called Mantophasmatodea (or gladiators). Amazingly, these critters were found in the 1890s in South Africa, and were overlooked till now. Now why didn't the Bible mention this? It would have been the perfect prediction to prove its scientific credentials.

More here

Viti · 04-09-2003, 08:21 PM

Celsus, it's obviously of the "bug" kind

lpetrich · 04-10-2003, 01:04 AM

The worm kind?

The bug kind?

The source; check on it for more pictures.

Celsus · 04-10-2003, 08:29 AM

With thanks to theyeti and Wounded King for a little digging. Here is a not-quite-an-insect-but-goshdarnit-why-didn't-Jesus-say-so-earlier:

That's right, the Collembola will eventually be formed into a new class, separate from the Hexpoda (which we'll now have to refer to as "true" insects).

See here

MrDarwin · 04-10-2003, 10:13 AM

FWIW, not all entomologists consider Collembola to be an order of insects. Collembola have been considered a taxonomic class of their own, at a rank equal to class Insecta, by some entomologists for a long time, although usually with the recognition of a relationship. But the suggestion that they had separate origins from within the Crustacea is certainly novel.

Coragyps · 04-10-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

All wrong, it's from an entirely new order of insects, classified just last year called Mantophasmatodea (or gladiators).

And, IIRC, these are related to the Grylloblattodea or Ice Bugs, which were kept in the walk-in cooler on Noah's Ark: they die if they're kept above 10C/50F.

Doubting Didymus · 04-10-2003, 05:22 PM

Heres a new one:

What do you think? plant? algae?

They're actually sea dwelling animals, with a whole phyla to themselves. They are bryozoans, moss animals. Often considered incredible nuisances by seagoers. From Here:

"over 125 species are known to grow on the bottoms of ships, causing drag and reducing the efficiency and maneuverability of the fouled ships."

Poor darling noah must have had some interesting times with all 125 species of bryozoan fouling the ark, and not allowed to remove them! Not to mention representatives of all the OTHER sea floor dwellers attached to the bottom of the boat, each of which can not have survived on the actual sea floor, what with the entire gelological strata being layed down at the time!

Edit: Creationists trying to make the argument that all bryozoans descend from only a few representatives have unwittingly allowed the common descent of an entire animal phylum, and one of the more diverse ones to boot!

ju'iblex · 04-11-2003, 12:18 AM

Anyone want to tell me what this bizarre creature is? rabbit or rat?

its a macrotis lagotis, another one of Australias native marsupials that is endangerted due to the invasion of feral rabbits, foxes, and other such beasts. There are two types, the western <macrotis llagotis lagotis> and eastern <macrotis lagotis sagitta>. The other type, the lesser bilby is now regrettably extinct. The bilbies are possibly from the subset thylacomyidae from the bandicoot or Peramelidae family, however some claim on the basis of karyology, serology and dental/cranial morphology that they are in fact their own family. Just to muddle the waters a little more, fun fun.

but innit cute? they actually sell easter bilbies as well as easter bunnies here as well to help them survive.

and thus marks my first ever contribution to this forum.

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04-09-2003, 08:00 AM	#131
Minnesota Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 172	Ergaster, To be fair, in some classification schemes the hyena is put on equal footing, as a family, with the cats and dogs. And, the suborder, Feliformia, mentioned in your link, is not recognized. ORDER: Carnivora SUBORDER: Fissipedia FAMILIES: .........Felida (cats) .........Canidae (dogs) .........Hyaenidae (hyenas) See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy...hmode=1&unlock

04-09-2003, 08:12 AM	#132
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	Here's one the cretinists always squirm over ... What "kind": super-hero or soy sauce? Okay, back to the serious discussion ... --W@L

04-09-2003, 08:17 PM	#133
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	Today's special treat is brought to you by the class Hexapoda (six-legged insects). Is it a grasshopper, praying mantis, stick insect? All wrong, it's from an entirely new order of insects, classified just last year called Mantophasmatodea (or gladiators). Amazingly, these critters were found in the 1890s in South Africa, and were overlooked till now. Now why didn't the Bible mention this? It would have been the perfect prediction to prove its scientific credentials. More here

04-09-2003, 08:21 PM	#134
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Celsus, it's obviously of the "bug" kind

04-10-2003, 01:04 AM	#135
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	The worm kind? The bug kind? The source; check on it for more pictures.

04-10-2003, 08:29 AM	#136
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	With thanks to theyeti and Wounded King for a little digging. Here is a not-quite-an-insect-but-goshdarnit-why-didn't-Jesus-say-so-earlier: That's right, the Collembola will eventually be formed into a new class, separate from the Hexpoda (which we'll now have to refer to as "true" insects). See here

04-10-2003, 10:13 AM	#137
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	FWIW, not all entomologists consider Collembola to be an order of insects. Collembola have been considered a taxonomic class of their own, at a rank equal to class Insecta, by some entomologists for a long time, although usually with the recognition of a relationship. But the suggestion that they had separate origins from within the Crustacea is certainly novel.

04-10-2003, 05:22 PM	#139
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Heres a new one: What do you think? plant? algae? They're actually sea dwelling animals, with a whole phyla to themselves. They are bryozoans, moss animals. Often considered incredible nuisances by seagoers. From Here: "over 125 species are known to grow on the bottoms of ships, causing drag and reducing the efficiency and maneuverability of the fouled ships." Poor darling noah must have had some interesting times with all 125 species of bryozoan fouling the ark, and not allowed to remove them! Not to mention representatives of all the OTHER sea floor dwellers attached to the bottom of the boat, each of which can not have survived on the actual sea floor, what with the entire gelological strata being layed down at the time! Edit: Creationists trying to make the argument that all bryozoans descend from only a few representatives have unwittingly allowed the common descent of an entire animal phylum, and one of the more diverse ones to boot!

04-11-2003, 12:18 AM	#140
ju'iblex Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney Australia and beyond the realms of Gehenna Posts: 6,035	Anyone want to tell me what this bizarre creature is? rabbit or rat? its a macrotis lagotis, another one of Australias native marsupials that is endangerted due to the invasion of feral rabbits, foxes, and other such beasts. There are two types, the western <macrotis llagotis lagotis> and eastern <macrotis lagotis sagitta>. The other type, the lesser bilby is now regrettably extinct. The bilbies are possibly from the subset thylacomyidae from the bandicoot or Peramelidae family, however some claim on the basis of karyology, serology and dental/cranial morphology that they are in fact their own family. Just to muddle the waters a little more, fun fun. but innit cute? they actually sell easter bilbies as well as easter bunnies here as well to help them survive. and thus marks my first ever contribution to this forum.

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