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04-10-2003, 06:21 PM

Assuming the ontological, cosmological, teleological arguments (and whichever other type of arguments they've concocted lately) are good and in fact prove what they intend to prove. My question is - how is it that theists go about concluding that,

(1) the necessary existent being,
(2) the uncaused cause and
(3) the intelligent designer

are one and the same? Furthermore, I'm not sure any of those arguments exclude the possibility of a plural number of the types of beings they imply. There could be multiple necessary beings, as well as multiple uncaused causers and intelligent designers. It seems to me that at this point, a whole family of god's (ala greek gods) is equally as possible as monotheism. Who do monotheists think they're kidding with these arguments?

04-10-2003, 06:34 PM

It seems Homer has as much claim to his beliefs as monotheists do.

The force be with you,

Brother Fred

Jobar · 04-10-2003, 06:42 PM

Welcome, Brother Fred. You say

It seems to me that at this point, a whole family of gods (ala greek gods) is equally as possible as monotheism.

We have a polytheist, known around these parts as OJuice5001, who claims to believe in precisely that! OJ, you listening? Care to comment?

04-10-2003, 06:59 PM

Jobar:

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We have a polytheist, known around these parts as OJuice5001, who claims to believe in precisely that! OJ, you listening? Care to comment?

I'd love to see him battle it out with a monotheist.

Darth Dane · 04-11-2003, 05:05 AM

All of these God's, in What are they residing? Where do they act, if not in God, the one God.

We create with God's will.

"ask and you shall be given"

DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 11:28 AM

Darth Dane states:

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All of these God's, in What are they residing? Where do they act, if not in God, the one God.

What?!

Darth Dane · 04-11-2003, 11:50 AM

In what universe do they exist?

Do these God's share a common universe?

DD - Love Spliff

JCS · 04-11-2003, 11:59 AM

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Do these God's share a common universe?

How do you distinguish one of these gods from all other asserted god(s)?

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"ask and you shall be given"

How do you know for sure that the god(s) you asked, gave you what you want and not random chance or that it was the god(s) in question and not IPU that fulfilled your wish list?

Darth Dane · 04-11-2003, 12:08 PM

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Do these God's share a common universe?
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How do you distinguish one of these gods from all other asserted god(s)?

I can't. I can't see Gods in the first place, unless we count in humans.

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"ask and you shall be given"
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How do you know for sure that the god(s) you asked, gave you what you want and not random chance or that it was the god(s) in question and not IPU that fulfilled your wish list?

I can't know for sure. I see I experience.
IPU = ?

I have not been given insight into the way God's, if any, work.
I am trying to take what I know, and give an explanation on the questions I receive.

DD - Love Spliff

ReasonableDoubt · 04-11-2003, 12:12 PM

Well , if you buy the ontological argument, that rules out the existence of more than one supreme being.

04-10-2003, 06:21 PM	#1
Brother Fred Guest Posts: n/a	One big happy family of gods Assuming the ontological, cosmological, teleological arguments (and whichever other type of arguments they've concocted lately) are good and in fact prove what they intend to prove. My question is - how is it that theists go about concluding that, (1) the necessary existent being, (2) the uncaused cause and (3) the intelligent designer are one and the same? Furthermore, I'm not sure any of those arguments exclude the possibility of a plural number of the types of beings they imply. There could be multiple necessary beings, as well as multiple uncaused causers and intelligent designers. It seems to me that at this point, a whole family of god's (ala greek gods) is equally as possible as monotheism. Who do monotheists think they're kidding with these arguments?

04-10-2003, 06:34 PM	#2
Brother Fred Guest Posts: n/a	follow up on the family It seems Homer has as much claim to his beliefs as monotheists do. The force be with you, Brother Fred

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04-10-2003, 06:42 PM	#3
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Welcome, Brother Fred. You say It seems to me that at this point, a whole family of gods (ala greek gods) is equally as possible as monotheism. We have a polytheist, known around these parts as OJuice5001, who claims to believe in precisely that! OJ, you listening? Care to comment?

04-11-2003, 05:05 AM	#5
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	All of these God's, in What are they residing? Where do they act, if not in God, the one God. We create with God's will. "ask and you shall be given" DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 11:50 AM	#7
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	In what universe do they exist? Do these God's share a common universe? DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 12:08 PM	#9
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do these God's share a common universe? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you distinguish one of these gods from all other asserted god(s)? I can't. I can't see Gods in the first place, unless we count in humans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "ask and you shall be given" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you know for sure that the god(s) you asked, gave you what you want and not random chance or that it was the god(s) in question and not IPU that fulfilled your wish list? I can't know for sure. I see I experience. IPU = ? I have not been given insight into the way God's, if any, work. I am trying to take what I know, and give an explanation on the questions I receive. DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 12:12 PM	#10
ReasonableDoubt Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 86	Well , if you buy the ontological argument, that rules out the existence of more than one supreme being.

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