Soul Invictus

I recognize that the concept of "sin" is a morality issue, however a while back there was a thread a while back entitled: "Hello All Theist: Am I A Sinner? " and there was a reference to what sin was. To the best of my experience, the concept of sin wasn't alluded to until the NT....NT scripture use the Adam and Eve story to introduce the idea of sin. Outside of embracing the concept of sin, what would the story of Adam and Eve's action signify, simply put? What is the concept of "sin" supposed to personify..outside of a perpetual clause for guilt? If to sin is to do wrong, all humans err, whether by behavior (which is determined by society's or that person's moral code) or by performance. Although the concept of right/wrong is stemmed in a person's value system, which is subjective, there is a to some extent a factual basis to it as well. If you have been formally educated, and within this system you learn numbers, and you learn how to add and subtract these numbers, (according to the mathematical system in which you've been trained) then under your rules, you basically are saying you have never made a mathematical error in your life, which I highly doubt. You are also saying you have never received a traffic citation, fine, grades lower than A's or under 100%,jail time, parental punishment or rebuke, and any of the host of consequences associated with a failure to comply correctly or adequately within the confines of said system. In my educational example, receiving a "B" would be determined as your grade for "B" work, or work that is inferior or less correct than "A" work.

All comments and background on this issue is appreciated.

Amos

Sin is a concept that was conjured by Moses for the redemption of the inner man. Through this concept the outer man (our ego awareness) is baited by the inner man and led to the point of unconscious surrender so the inner man can regain control of the believers life. Once baited it's much like fishing where the angler must exhaust the fish (our ego) before he can reel it in. From this plan follows that the cross of eternal salvation (redemption) is for sinners only and so sin is good if salvation is desired.

Sin is based on guilt. At first this guilt has a social connection and later the inner man must convict the outer man for being the hippocrite that he/she is pretending to be. Secret confession (in dark confessionals) is aimed to white-wash the outer man in effort to bring about the inner conviction that we are pretenders in a dual lifestyle and that divine intervention is needed to bring about change. So sin is just part of the game and if it allows you to get a little more out of life then what was rightfully yours you will/may get rewarded for this twice: first as forbidden fruit and later as sufficient grounds for redemption ("Faith in the heart leads to justification and confession on the lips to salvation" Romans 10:10).

NightWatchman

excellent AMOS

Why cant more peolple read the bible scriptures and see the mythology and symbols in it, dont be a minister of the letter (literal), because the letter (literal) kills


nw

abe smith

"Sin" is (like "god" and "the soul" and "redemption" and "eternal life", and all that other junk) another one of those human = manmade fictions....

Amos

Except that it should say "hypocrite" and, of course, "divine intervention" just means that our faculty of reason will be overthrown by the inner man (soul) wherein we are God. Hence the idea that the divine surrounds the event.

abe smith

.... AMOS? I'm sure you've made your affiliation clear (I think...); but may I ask for a straightforward declaration from you here/now:
Do you define ("label") yourself as a "Roman Catholic"? Please don't expatiate : all I want is a plain answer: "Are you a Catholic?"
After your reply, I'll brood over some further qq perhaps. Thanks. Abe

Amos

Yes I am. I go to church when I have time and I go to communion like the rest of them.

Some would say that I am not a very good Catholic because I haven't been to confession for a very long time. I also have never read the Cathechism which I think was printed to inform the protestants about what we are supposed to believe.

Howard

True, but are not our inner man (the soul) and our inner fish (the sole), in existential competition? Are they not, if you will, engaged in an ersatz yin and yang of the sin/salvation duality?

Then again, it could just be God dicking us around again.

Amos

Not until the yang period is/should be over and this is about when yin (the woman) becomes the protagonist seeking to subdue the old ego identity. Until then the ego must be given free reign (sin is good) so that the soul nature becomes heavy with sin and therefore an asset to yin and a liability to yang in effort to shift the balance of power in favor of yin. Such a balance is needed for the Grand Inquisition to emerge.

nermal

Man! I love Catholics!
Such poetry.

Ed