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Duvenoy · 06-09-2003, 08:03 AM

I've always liked the tired, old "a half a wing won't work!" bluster. The remarkable fossils now trickling out of China make it even more enjoyable.

And from Kent Hovind: "You can't get a croc from a rock!"

Dr. (he's a real one) Jonathan Sarfati/Socrates: "Goo to you via the zoo."

doov

NialScorva · 06-09-2003, 08:37 AM

The Earth's core is hot because of the pressure because acceleration=force=pressure=energy=heat.

charlie d · 06-09-2003, 08:47 AM

"Reality is a relation, and every relation is a syndiffeonic relation exhibiting syndiffeonesis or �difference-in-sameness�. Therefore, reality is a syndiffeonic relation. Syndiffeonesis implies that any assertion to the effect that two things are different implies that they are reductively the same; if their difference is real, then they both reduce to a common reality and are to that extent similar. Syndiffeonesis, the most general of all reductive principles, forms the basis of a new view of the relational structure of reality."

Beat that!

Secular Pinoy · 06-09-2003, 08:48 AM

That sounds eerily familiar, NialScorva. Was it from Corwin?

Jimmy Higgins · 06-09-2003, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Minnesota
What is most ignorant or absurd statement relating to science that you, personally, have ever heard?

Evolution is just a theory.

Happy Wonderer · 06-09-2003, 09:23 AM

Pseudo-informetics...

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Since lots of events are probabilistically independent, information measures exhibit lots of additivity. But since lots of events are also correlated, information measures exhibit lots of non-additivity as well.... Alice and Bob together toss a coin five times. Alice observes the first four tosses but is distracted, and so misses the fifth toss. On the other hand, Bob misses the first toss, but observes the last four tosses. Let's say the actual sequence of tosses is 11001 (1 = heads, 0 = tails). Thus Alice observes 1100* and Bob observes *1001. Let A denote the first observation, B the second. It follows that the amount of information in A&B is the amount of information in the completed sequence 11001, namely, 5 bits. On the other hand, the amount of information in A alone is the amount of information in the incomplete sequence 1100*, namely 4 bits. Similarly, the amount of information in B alone is the amount of information in the incomplete sequence *1001, also 4 bits. This time information doesn't add up: 5 = I(A&B) _ I(A)+I(B) = 4+4 = 8.

Here A and B are correlated. Alice knows all but the last bit of information in the completed sequence 11001. Thus when Bob gives her the incomplete sequence *1001, all Alice really learns is the last bit in this sequence. Similarly, Bob knows all but the first bit of information in the completed sequence 11001. Thus when Alice gives him the incomplete sequence 1100*, all Bob really learns is the first bit in this sequence. What appears to be four bits of information actually ends up being only one bit of information...

From here

I have always wanted to ask Dembski if the statement "the coin landed heads five times in a row" contains less information than the statement "the coin landed heads six times in a row."

hw

Happy Wonderer · 06-09-2003, 10:09 AM

This just in:

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The use of common ancestry to explain homologous organs can not explain all homologies -- The hands and feet on the left are obviously homologous to those on the right but surely one didn't evolve from the other.

From the page referenced in 'possibly clever creationist page' thread

Fedmahn Kassad · 06-09-2003, 10:11 AM

Anytime someone writes "Dr." Kent Hovind.

FK

MortalWombat · 06-09-2003, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
If God made man from dirt, why is there still dirt?

(I'm still waiting to use this one.)

A variation of this can be used when a creationist claims that teaching children that they are descended from animals will cause them to act like animals: If that is so, then will teaching them that they are descended from dirt cause them to treat others like dirt?

roxrkool · 06-09-2003, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MortalWombat
<snip>... If that is so, then will teaching them that they are descended from dirt cause them to treat others like dirt?

Oh I like that one! I will definitely have to use it. Thanks!!

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06-09-2003, 08:03 AM	#11
Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	I've always liked the tired, old "a half a wing won't work!" bluster. The remarkable fossils now trickling out of China make it even more enjoyable. And from Kent Hovind: "You can't get a croc from a rock!" Dr. (he's a real one) Jonathan Sarfati/Socrates: "Goo to you via the zoo." doov

06-09-2003, 08:37 AM	#12
NialScorva Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Median strip of DC beltway Posts: 1,888	The Earth's core is hot because of the pressure because acceleration=force=pressure=energy=heat.

06-09-2003, 08:47 AM	#13
charlie d Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: here and there Posts: 56	"Reality is a relation, and every relation is a syndiffeonic relation exhibiting syndiffeonesis or �difference-in-sameness�. Therefore, reality is a syndiffeonic relation. Syndiffeonesis implies that any assertion to the effect that two things are different implies that they are reductively the same; if their difference is real, then they both reduce to a common reality and are to that extent similar. Syndiffeonesis, the most general of all reductive principles, forms the basis of a new view of the relational structure of reality." Beat that!

06-09-2003, 08:48 AM	#14
Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	That sounds eerily familiar, NialScorva. Was it from Corwin?

06-09-2003, 10:11 AM	#18
Fedmahn Kassad Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 112	Anytime someone writes "Dr." Kent Hovind. FK

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