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Duvenoy · 03-03-2003, 09:28 PM

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Duvenoy, you forgot that Pokemon is Satanic and is bent on furthering the Evil Atheist Agenda through submissive acceptance of the THEORY!!! of evolution! Those bastards!

Oh dear! I forgot all about that. I shall instruct the parents of my Satanic grandbrats to punish them severly for leading me astray. Extra ice cream all around should have them reconsidering their heresy in short order. Might even have some myself as a penance for listening to the wretches.

If Christianity evolved from Judaism, why is Palistine in such disorder?

doov

LordSnooty · 03-04-2003, 07:01 AM

This argument (as used in the OP) was used recently in the UK (if memory serves) by a car dealer that sent his children to that religious school where they were teaching biblical creationism.

Paul

Oolon Colluphid · 03-04-2003, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by LordSnooty
This argument (as used in the OP) was used recently in the UK (if memory serves) by a car dealer that sent his children to that religious school where they were teaching biblical creationism.

Hi Paul

I don't remember him using that line of anti-reasoning, but I'd not be surprised, given the other stuff I've heard from him. The cretinist in question is Sir Peter Vardy.
See eg: http://education.guardian.co.uk/scho...664515,00.html

Cheers, DT

PS Anyone know how he got to be a 'Sir'?

BRO3886 · 03-04-2003, 08:36 AM

Queen's Birthday Honours , 2001 , services to buisness and *cough*education.

Owner of the 4th largest moter retail buisness in the UK.
Founder of two schools , possibly another college.
Sponser of student program at Sunderland University.
Involved with 'New' Labour's private City College scheme.

Birthday honours are suggested by a civil officer , who is in turn advised by a panel that picks through submissions.

Shpongle · 03-04-2003, 02:13 PM

If God made people, why is there still God?

braces_for_impact · 03-04-2003, 02:19 PM

I had a YEC tell me once that if the 'theory' of an old earth were true, Niagara falls would have eroded completely through the earth after all those billions of years.

I couldn't reply because I was too busy...

Too busy...

Too...

*Giggle, snort, guffaw*

Quetzal · 03-04-2003, 10:58 PM

Fundy quote of the day: "If all life was a result of the big bang, as evolution tries to explain, why is there currently only one human species but many animal species?"

Must...resist...

Jan Haugland · 03-05-2003, 07:36 AM

Had a die-hard cretinist argue for weeks that evolution was impossible since when life first originated, there was no food around for the newly-evolved forms to eat.

- Jan

...who rants and raves every day at Secular Blasphemy

jolene555 · 03-05-2003, 03:16 PM

in all honesty, evolution of a species dosen't really mean that the origonal becomes extinct. if one member of a species moves, relocates, it adapts to it's new environment, it evolves. the other members remain the same. why couldn't the same be true of monkeys to humans. i have heard better arguements . . . please keep trying

-jo

(by the way, i am a creationist

)

Mageth · 03-05-2003, 03:31 PM

Well, it's nice to see a creationist that understands that.

(by the way, i am a creationist )

I could pretty much deduce that when you said "if one member of a species moves, relocates, it adapts to it's new environment, it evolves. the other members remain the same."

Any "True Evolutionist" (TM) would know:

1) one member of a species is generally not enough to generate new species (notable exceptions include asexually-reproducing species such as bacteria).

2) in any event, a single specimen of a species never evolves (speaking physiologically, in its lifetime) to adapt to a new environement. Gotta have reproduction to have evolution.

3) there's no guarantee that the "other members" will remain the same. The remaining group will, over generations, evolve as well, possibly generating one or more new species, and eventually the original species may disappear. For example, the most recent common ancestor species shared by H. Sapiens and the great apes is extinct.

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03-04-2003, 07:01 AM	#22
LordSnooty Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 211	This argument (as used in the OP) was used recently in the UK (if memory serves) by a car dealer that sent his children to that religious school where they were teaching biblical creationism. Paul

03-04-2003, 08:36 AM	#24
BRO3886 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 48	Queen's Birthday Honours , 2001 , services to buisness and cougheducation. Owner of the 4th largest moter retail buisness in the UK. Founder of two schools , possibly another college. Sponser of student program at Sunderland University. Involved with 'New' Labour's private City College scheme. Birthday honours are suggested by a civil officer , who is in turn advised by a panel that picks through submissions.

03-04-2003, 02:13 PM	#25
Shpongle Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frozen North Posts: 9,920	If God made people, why is there still God?

03-04-2003, 02:19 PM	#26
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	I had a YEC tell me once that if the 'theory' of an old earth were true, Niagara falls would have eroded completely through the earth after all those billions of years. I couldn't reply because I was too busy... Too busy... Too... Giggle, snort, guffaw

03-04-2003, 10:58 PM	#27
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Fundy quote of the day: "If all life was a result of the big bang, as evolution tries to explain, why is there currently only one human species but many animal species?" Must...resist...

03-05-2003, 07:36 AM	#28
Jan Haugland Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 70	Had a die-hard cretinist argue for weeks that evolution was impossible since when life first originated, there was no food around for the newly-evolved forms to eat. - Jan ...who rants and raves every day at Secular Blasphemy

03-05-2003, 03:16 PM	#29
jolene555 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: illinois Posts: 34	in all honesty, evolution of a species dosen't really mean that the origonal becomes extinct. if one member of a species moves, relocates, it adapts to it's new environment, it evolves. the other members remain the same. why couldn't the same be true of monkeys to humans. i have heard better arguements . . . please keep trying -jo (by the way, i am a creationist )

03-05-2003, 03:31 PM	#30
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Well, it's nice to see a creationist that understands that. (by the way, i am a creationist ) I could pretty much deduce that when you said "if one member of a species moves, relocates, it adapts to it's new environment, it evolves. the other members remain the same." Any "True Evolutionist" (TM) would know: 1) one member of a species is generally not enough to generate new species (notable exceptions include asexually-reproducing species such as bacteria). 2) in any event, a single specimen of a species never evolves (speaking physiologically, in its lifetime) to adapt to a new environement. Gotta have reproduction to have evolution. 3) there's no guarantee that the "other members" will remain the same. The remaining group will, over generations, evolve as well, possibly generating one or more new species, and eventually the original species may disappear. For example, the most recent common ancestor species shared by H. Sapiens and the great apes is extinct.

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