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Old 03-05-2002, 11:59 PM   #1
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Sikhism coincides with evolution. This is stated in the holy scriptures, not bad for a religion that's more than four hundred-years old? There are also statements and references to the big-bang, molecules, extra-terrestrial life, and other universes.
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Woops, I think I hit the wrong button or something. I hope a moderator places this post under the string of posts named: "Non-Abrahamic Religions and Evolution? " thanks.
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<strong>Sikhism coincides with evolution. This is stated in the holy scriptures, not bad for a religion that's more than four hundred-years old? There are also statements and references to the big-bang, molecules, extra-terrestrial life, and other universes.</strong>
A few points:

1) Where exactly in Guru Adi Granth Sahib is that statement?

2) It is easy to find coincidences of scripture with science - it just takes a little interpretation. See <a href="http://www.it-is-truth.org" target="_blank">www.it-is-truth.org</a> for how Islam reputedly coincides with modern scientific findings.

3) However Sikhism may coincide with evolution, the fact and theory and evolution has a deep theological meaning which does not coincide with Sikhism, or with any other theistic religion at that. The omnibenevolent God of theistic religions is falsified by evolution, which is not a benevolent process even by human standards. If God loved the dinosaurs, why did He make them extinct? And if He hated them, why did He create them in the first place. Evolution is compatible only with naturalism - nature all there is, no supernatural entity whatsoever, prayer and worship have no effect, &c. I know there are many sayings to the contrary, but this is just a Politically-Correct gesture so as not to hurt theists.
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The omnibenevolent God of theistic religions is falsified by evolution, which is not a benevolent process even by human standards.
How so? A sikh beleives that God created the universe. He also let molecules form, leading to an aggregating pattern of self replication. Eventually, dinosaurs formed, nothing wrong with that.


If God loved the dinosaurs, why did He make them extinct?
He didn't, a meteorite did (or comet, or meteor or whatever).

And if He hated them, why did He create them in the first place.
God didn't hate them.


Personally as a sikh, I can not fathom the power of God, but this arguement wouldn't have been good enough for an atheist (which i presume you are), so I tried to explain it the best I could.
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If God did not hate the dinosaurs then why did he allow them to be killed? Being omnibenevolent why didnt he stop the meteor?
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A sikh beleives that God created the universe. He also let molecules form, leading to an aggregating pattern of self replication. Eventually, dinosaurs formed, nothing wrong with that.
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One would think an omnibenevolent God could do it without a carnival of blood and gore.

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He didn't, a meteorite did (or comet, or meteor or whatever).
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Aren't the meteorites, comets, meteors etc in God's control?

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Personally as a sikh, I can not fathom the power of God, but this arguement wouldn't have been good enough for an atheist (which i presume you are), so I tried to explain it the best I could.</strong>
It's good enough for me. I'm either an atheist or a misotheist: if God does not exist then I have no-one to submit to; and if He does, then I hate Him with perfect hatred and refuse to submit to Him.

Mankind's mistake: creating God. Mankind's correction: killing God. CURSED BE HE!
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If God did not hate the dinosaurs then why did he allow them to be killed? Being omnibenevolent why didnt he stop the meteor?
God's beyond good or bad. God's not my nanny, and beings like us in this universe choose our own destiny. To have God affect my life, I would ask him to.

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One would think an omnibenevolent God could do it without a carnival of blood and gore.
Sure he could ifhe wanted to. And there's nothing wrong with blood and gore is there? I hope interstitial fluids don't offend you.

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Aren't the meteorites, comets, meteors etc in God's control?
Yup. Everything is if you think about it. God controls all, including time. If the meteor was to miss the earth, then it would have been destined to. At the same time, we can choose our own destinies. It's rather complex to explain this, and I probably can't on the internet.

*note. I refer to God as a "He", and do so knowing that God is asexual, but prefer to because of the English language's connotation of God.
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