lpetrich

Who cares?

And is there some gnome who runs a pond-scum factory or something?

-RRH-

Well, maybe I could then learn a form of meditation that would completely shut me down, so I could no longer experience. I'm sure I could figure it out, given enough time.

Magus55

I see, so that sounds worse then spending all of eternity in an unquenching fire with nothing to do but suffer and be tormented, with no relief whatsoever? Are you a masochist?

Abacus

So you think that since he has pointed out the absurdities of the Christian fantasy of heaven, then he must be looking forward to experiencing the absurdities of the Christian fantasy of hell? Is this how your brain works Magus55? If so, then I don't have much respect for you or anything you have to say.

Mageth

Its amazing how little imagination Atheists seem to possess.

Speaking of little imagintation....think about "eternity", Magus.

God is omnipotent. He will keep us quite fulfilled and happy for all eternity. There will be too much to do to be bored, because God can always create new things never before seen by humans.

After the quadrillionth or so little magic trick of god pulling a slightly different rabbit out of a hat, I think everyone in the audience would be quite asleep.

It will take a LONG time just to learn everything there is about God and to understand Him completely.

And you'd still have all eternity left to do what?.

He could create more universes and life systems in which we'd rule over, or we can manage the Stars and Solar Systems, keeping them in order and studying them.

One might say, after seeing a trillion or so universes, you've seen 'em all.

The possibilities are endless.

And then, after all that, after an endless number of permutations are each examined in detail for an endless amount of time, you'll still have all eternity to keep repeating the same things over and over again. Even studying different universes could get boring after an eternity of time or two.

Plus, one would know that god's the one poofing these things into existence at will; that would take a bit of the thrill out of studying them, at least for me. What's the thrill of studying some phenomenon of an N-dimensional universe if you know the cause behind all the phenomena you'll ever see is god and his magic hat? You have the ultimate answers to all the questions before you ask them.

Mageth

I see, so that sounds worse then spending all of eternity in an unquenching fire with nothing to do but suffer and be tormented, with no relief whatsoever? Are you a masochist?

Odd that an omnibenevolent god who you see as busy entertaining billions of people for all eternity just to keep them happy and not bored would at the same time knowingly allow even more billions of people to exist in such eternal torment, when one of the rabbits he could easily pull out of his hat is to at least terminate their existence and end their suffering.

mike_decock

Are you talking about the doctrine of Hell? A mostly Hellenistic concept that has been incorrectly applied to terms like Sheol and Gehenna?

Please, learn a little bit about your own cult doctrine:

The Biblical Doctrine of Hell

-Mike...

Magus55

I lost respect for most atheists on this board a long time ago with their constant insults, sarcasm, obnoxious remarks, and blasphemy of a God they don't even believe in, whats your point?

My purpose of coming here was not to make friends. Ill stick with my friends on Christian boards who don't act like jerks every other post just because someone doesn't agree with them.

Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Jesus said Christians would be persecuted and hated for following Him, so its not like i'm surprised.

Magus55

But to terminate their existence wouldn't be punishment for their sins. Obviously you don't agree with sinning against God being any big deal, but it is, which is why humans end up in Hell. Their own sins.

Magus55

What are you talking about? Hell isn't described much until the New Testament. You are questioning its existence based on the old.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


The Lake of Fire is what Christians casually refer to as Hell ( since its more well known concept), but Hell and the Lake of fire are two separate places. Kinda hard to mistake the above quotes and misunderstand hell. Lake of fire, thrown in alive, tormented day and night for ever. Where is the confusion?