Cthulhu

Your statement makes no sense. You have zero proof hell exists. How can we have less than zero proof that hell doesn't exist?

Please don't use words like critical analysis and facts, because you clearly have no grasp of either.

A specious comparison. What is the Bible evidence of but the Bible?

First, learn how to spell evolution. Second, learn about evolution, as you clearly don't possess the faintest understanding of it. Third, the only "evidence" that the apostles witnessed Jesus's miracles, death, and resurrection (or that these things even happened) is the Bible itself, and hence is worthless as real evidence.
Stop me if I'm going too fast for you.

To quote Frau Farbissina:" Lies! All Lies!"
What archaeological findings? That some cities were located roughly where the Bible says the were? Big fucking deal. By those standards The Aeneid must be 100% fact.
And no prophecies have been fulfilled, despite your endless empty assertions to the contrary.

And another 1/3 of the world finds the "facts" of Islam to be sufficient, hence Islam must be true.

As is every one of your posts.

Tell me, Mr. Broken Record, how exactly would one "disprove" the Bible to your satisfaction? What would need to be done, what piece of evidence would need to be found, what finding would convince you that your faith is unjustified?

Unsupported assertion #4987 (for those of you counting along at home.)

Christianity only meets one of the three criteria you mentioned above, hence it must be false. Good to see you're finally coming around.

Christianity doesn't have fulfilled prophecies, so that means it must be false. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to be God, so I guess that makes Scientology true. Nobody has found Hercules' body, so I guess the Olympian Gods are also real.

No, it isn't.

No they haven't.

Circular reasoning.

You have proven nothing except your unparalled ignorance, hence it is unnecessary to accept anything.

Spaz

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Magus55

For Satan yes, its humans fault if they end up there. God did the most benevolent act anyone can do to save you from it. If you reject it its your own fault.



Why do atheists think Christians want you to go to Hell? If i wanted you to, i wouldn't tell you how not to go there.

Fiach

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cthulhu
Your statement makes no sense. You have zero proof hell exists. How can we have less than zero proof that hell doesn't exist?

I doesn't know that he has no proof at all for hell. He doesn't realise that his proof for hell is non-existent, the same as our disproof.


Please don't use words like critical analysis and facts, because you clearly have no grasp of either.

Like the invisible 8 legged hermaphrodite snake whom I claim is the real son of God. No, just kidding. We all know that if Mary had a baby without a sperm entering, then the baby had two X chromosomes and weas a girl. We need to change Jesus to Jesusanna.

A specious comparison. What is the Bible evidence of but the Bible?

It has the same theological credibility as the Qur'an, The Hindu Scriptures, the Tain bo Culainn, and the Necronomicon. On second thought, the Necronomicon convinced me.

First, learn how to spell evolution. Second, learn about evolution, as you clearly don't possess the faintest understanding of it.

Evolution is a complex process as much of real life is. Faerie tales are simple minded and require no significant education to comprehend. Unfortunately I think that grasping the genetic and fossil evidence of evolution with mathematical formulas of isotope decay rates, and tectonic drift rate chronology does require better than the average high school education in America. In the UK, kids have some grasp by their 8th school year.

Third, the only "evidence" that the apostles witnessed Jesus's miracles, death, and resurrection (or that these things even happened) is the Bible itself, and hence is worthless as real evidence.

These outrageous faerie tales were described by chaps who were not present at the alleged events. They wrote from oral traditions, hearsay, believing someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone who claimed to have seen it. There were witnesses to Mithra's works, Cuchulain's Gae Bolga spear that couldn't miss, and Thor's Hammer. The Bible is just more available and well known because in the Western world it was the only permitted book of theology. All of the pagan works at the Great Library of Alexandria was burned and Pagan books all over the Roman Empire were burned in a vast persecution of non-Trinitarian Christians after the reign of Theodosius I near the year 397 AD, and went on through the reign of Justinian in the 6th Century before most of the pagans were eradicated by the thousands.


To quote Frau Farbissina:" Lies! All Lies!"
What archaeological findings? That some cities were located roughly where the Bible says the were? Big fucking deal. By those standards The Aeneid must be 100% fact.

There are some historical facts recorded in the Bible that while a bit sloppy are interesting. It named several Babylonian kings but missed only two. It mentions Cyrus of Persia in a good history account, the Book of David. Although fundies call that book prophesy, it is is really recorded history by whoever wrote the book in approximately 145 BC. The anachronisms, and the fact that Daniel's details were more precise in the time of the Seleucid Kingdom up to the Maccabees revolt but the memories get fuzzier as he goes back to the Babylonian Captivity. It is exactly how you would right a history of the USA from memory. Your details of the 1990s would be very precise, the 1860s fuzzier, the 1700s very fuzzy (you probably couldn't name the largest cities of 1660 in Eastern America. But I bet you could name 20 of them from today.

And no prophecies have been fulfilled, despite your endless empty assertions to the contrary.

Right, not a real prophesy. Fundy apocalyptics make and twist words to mean what they want just as Nostradamus nutters do with his gabberloony quatrains.

And another 1/3 of the world finds the "facts" of Islam to be sufficient, hence Islam must be true.

It shows that truth is not based on poll numbers. It is based on providing evidence to back up claims, otherwise the claims are just weak hypotheses (guesses.)

As is every one of your posts.

Tell me, Mr. Broken Record, how exactly would one "disprove" the Bible to your satisfaction? What would need to be done, what piece of evidence would need to be found, what finding would convince you that your faith is unjustified?

Finding a rock older than 60 centuries. Demonstrating that the Noah's Flood could not have physically happened. The fact that there are two different contradictory Magical Creation stories. The fact that there are two different Noah's Flood stories. The fact that there are three different stories of Jesus' resurrection and who was present. On the cross, John says the sign said, "I am the King of the Jews." Luke says, "This is the king of the Jews." Mark says, "The king of the Jews." Matthew says, "This is Jesus the king of the Jews." What these literal errors indicate is that a literal interpretation of the Bible is ludicrous. It knocks the foundation out of Fundamentalism.



Unsupported assertion #4987 (for those of you counting along at home.)

LOL

Christianity only meets one of the three criteria you mentioned above, hence it must be false. Good to see you're finally coming around.

There is so much more in the history of the evolution of Christianity that show it to be a fable that was changed multiple times until there were several different religions, only settled by political pressure from Constantine and the Roman Army that picked the sect with the second largest christian following, Athanasianism. The more numerous Arians were persecuted but not exterminated until the 7th century, although it may have survived longer in the northern barbarian kingdoms.



Christianity doesn't have fulfilled prophecies, so that means it must be false. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to be God, so I guess that makes Scientology true. Nobody has found Hercules' body, so I guess the Olympian Gods are also real.

Point made.

You have proven nothing except your unparalled ignorance, hence it is unnecessary to accept anything.

That is not nice to say. It is better to say that his beliefs are archaic superstiton and mythological tales. But for him it seems real.

Fiach

Magus55

Yawn, whatever. Keep insulting me and claiming none of it exists. We'll see who's right.

Fiach

I didn't use the word ignorant. What I said was archaic superstitions and myths, but 2000 years ago intelligent people believed in such superstitions and myths. I am not insulting your intelligent just that you are a couple of millenia behind modern ideas through your indoctrination. You are intelligent enough to figure it out if you look closely at the data.

Fiach

Magus55

I wasn't referring to you, mainly the crap and rude attitude i get from Cthulhu, QoS, Fenton etc.

And i have looked closely at the data, how do you think i came to my beliefs? I was born into a very unreligious Jewish family by which i learned the old age cliche of Jews don't believe in Jesus. After experiencing my own miracle, i started studying about Christianity for a few years and became a believer.

Fiach

Magus, my response was a wee out of line. It was inappropriate and I apologise. We all lose it occasionally. When I do it, I only realise it after it is posted. Sorry, mate.

Fiach

Justin70

Well said, Faich. Very well said.

It's time people stand up and be accountable for the history of their religion. And I'm not just talking about Christianity either.

Justin70

Nope. Evolutionary theory simply states that a population will change over time to better fit it's environment. That's all. No more, no less.