Deputy42

the only one i can force you to accept is the reproduction angle. your rigid skepticism will not allow for warm blooded humans, only cold facts. i do my best to satisfy your appetite.

its clearly an opinion that has fallen out of favor. therefore it is unlikely to be used as basis for public policy. as i've said before, i think it beneficial for believers to live according to such laws. i'll go furthur to say that only those believers who find that it works for them should use it. all others should endeavor to find their own way in this matter. useless now, not entirely.

it only takes one person to be unhappy for the statement "everyone is happy" to be false. i am not happy. i dont need account for your happiness at all in my logic thankyou, drive through.

ok, so now i ask you to teach. since i have proven that men and women are treated differently in the workplace, what causes this difference in treatment?

sure diddily is neighborino. if you're a believer and it works for you go for it. if not, then ignore it.

nope, sure not.

again this is why other writings of paul are relevant, despite your attempts to keep them out of the discussion. pauls treatise on love is especially meaningful here. i know men who are believers who defer everyday of their lives. that doesn't change the fact that they are head of the household and expected to "bring home the bacon"

what else do you call it when two people come together and relate to each other?

another broad generalization of believers. yoked equally is just that, equal participation and equal work done in a relationship. can you back up your generalization?

o he sure did have the excellent life in mind. the excellent life is the life lived according to god and made righteous by the son. we walk abundantly in a life of christ

i would need to know more about the people in question in order to make an informed response.

every person has a sex. in this way sexual disposistion is part of every person. whenever you treat someone with complete disregard to sex, you therefore don't treat the person as a whole. its like this. everyone cries for equality of gays. which is to say that people should not be discriminated against because of their sex. thats a great idea. however, how can being gay have any relevance unless we look at the sex of a person as a factor. if we close our eyes totally to sex, heterosexuality, homosexuality are utterly meaningless. yet gays and other minorities are the very first to shout and proclaim their difference from the norm. i am all for equality here, yet whether you like it or not, without sex, people are not whole.

i should have expected your sympathy for socialism. if the soviet union cuba and china are any indication of the failure of marxism, then there is no hope for you. any entitlement theory and marxism share a common ancestor. i only need to point to the success of capitalism and the failure of state entitlement schemes to prove my point.

Deputy42

god creates us perfect. babies have not yet reached the age of consent. therefore their souls are pure, and know no evil. babies will be just as adam and eve before they ate of the tree.

i am not putting word in your mouth, quite the contrary. by nature of your inquiry, it seems that this is what you propose. if i am wrong tell me. are you afraid of your own position?

as i've stated earlier, if you don't like it, no one is going to force it on you. and i've answered your question a million times, you just don't accept my answer. im sorry. for believers, who choose to live according to what paul said, these dictates are teachings from a person who had a vision of jesus. he was very close to jesus, i am willing to accept his teachings, misogyny and all, than accept your stance despite your cries of equality.

here it is from the word: romans chapter 5, read the whole thing. keep it coming, i'll keep pointing you back to the word when your understanding fails.

god is god, "human" rights are irrelevant to god. your idea is flawed.

you didn't read the whole response, but i will reiterate. yes god himself being omniscient knows the outcome.

i cant define normal any more than you can when i asked you for the same.

thought thats where i was......

on a very personal level, i would never want to own another human being.

now you are the straw man. the statement "a role model can provide x" is different than the statement "a role model only provides x"

by all means please tell me exactly what sexual equality is in all its various cases.

yet you are the one who clings so tightly to it, as if it were the only thing you can beat me with. is your position so weak that you cannot find anything else and only have this use?

were it not for unwanted sexual advances, i wouldn't be here, and i think many others share my fate. it is funny and its the truth. has your world become so sterile that you have forgotten what it is to live? you're getting old before my eyes.

im sorry you feel that way. i still don't know what is disgusting. i cant feel bad about such comments unless i know what they were and how they affected you.

Deputy42

the gospels were written in the first century after christ. that is at least 2000, still long enough to be antiquated by your standards.

bonduca

I cannot understand your insistence that men are better at impregnating women. Actually, I imagine good female lab staff at an invitro fertilzation facility could handle the problem, given sperm samples of sufficient potency. Are you bragging? I am not in the market, you know.

As for my being out for blood, I did not invite you to this board. I am simply asking for an explanation and a defense of your statements. If you are not up to the task, then simply say so and I will leave you alone.

You cannot have meant what you said.

I hope you are not planning on waiting long. I have neither requested nor encouraged your presence.

Please show me where I either invited you to this board or offered to take responsibility for your education. As for atheism having meaning – it has sufficient meaning for me. I do not feel compelled to preach to you. It is unfortunate you do not return the favor.

you’ve been dying to say “strawman,” haven’t you? If you wish to leave me with hope of a comprehensible reply, then you must produce better evidence than your previous work to date. Astonish me.

It will have no bearing in my life at any time, as I rejected this as meaningless twaddle years ago. So what of this theory of the man being the head of the household that you appear to espouse? Have you gone back on it now? Please explain this seeming reversal.

I do not accept the Bible because I am an atheist. Surely this does not require explanation. I am trying to determine your opinion regarding equality between the sexes. Do not attempt to deflect this by asking me why I may or may not obey the law.

This does not answer my question. How then DO you feel equality should be established and safeguarded?

Again, you have refused to answer me. When will you clearly answer my questions instead of responding with incoherent rambling?

Go to Google.com and look up “Title IX.” It is not a new concept, I am sorry you have missed it until now. How does mandating such “madness” as you put it, leads to inequality? Do you think it is unladylike for a female to participate in vigorous sports or martial arts? That is nonsense. I participate in both, and I assure you I am neither unfeminine in appearance nor in the slightest need of your “protection.”

Queen of Swords

Deputy42, trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time (owing to the vagueness, evasion and stupidity you have displayed), so I'm just going to have fun. Ever been MSTed? You're in for a treat.

Unless otherwise stated, the replies are written from your point-of-view.

<strong>the only one i can force you to accept is the reproduction angle.</strong>

I've tried everything - baseball bat, golf club, even Big Ed from the loading dock. And he charges $20 an pop!

<strong>your rigid skepticism</strong>

Your hard, proud, rigid skepticism...

<strong>will not allow for warm blooded humans, only cold facts. </strong>

Or maybe that's cold blooded humans and warm facts. &lt;inserts Vaselined thermometer into fact and self to make sure&gt;

<strong>i do my best to satisfy your appetite.</strong>

My best falls short, so pathetically short.

<strong>it only takes one person to be unhappy for the statement "everyone is happy" to be false. i am not happy.</strong>

I haven't been happy since elementary school and the grape soda incident.

<strong>i dont need account for your happiness at all in my logic</strong>

QoS : And then you wonder why you're not happy? Terminally clueless.

<strong>ok, so now i ask you to teach.</strong>

Teach me the ways of love... What do you mean, you don't take Discover?

<strong>since i have proven that men and women are treated differently in the workplace, what causes this difference in treatment?</strong>

Halley's Comet, of course. Duh.

<strong>again this is why other writings of paul are relevant, despite your attempts to keep them out of the discussion.</strong>

The Secret Writings of Paul, an epistle as inflammatory as The Story of O. And you thought he and Timothy were just friends? Your copy arrives wrapped in inconspicuous brown paper for only $19.99.

We still don't take Discover.

<strong>pauls treatise on love is especially meaningful here. i know men who are believers who defer everyday of their lives. </strong>

Our church provides free counselling for this disorder, including a weekend at "Fred Phelps's Training Camp for Real Men".

<strong>that doesn't change the fact that they are head of the household and expected to "bring home the bacon"</strong>

Most often, however, they break down sobbing in the grocery store, crying out, "Leviticus 11:7!"

<strong>what else do you call it when two people come together and relate to each other?</strong>

I call it the special relationship between a priest and his favorite choirboy, followed by the heart-to-heart of the priest with his bishop.

<strong>another broad generalization of believers. yoked equally is just that, equal participation and equal work done in a relationship. </strong>

George Orwell : All humans are equal, but some are more equal than others.

<strong>o he sure did have the excellent life in mind. </strong>

O he had a very excellent life
and a merry old life did he pass
O he had his Timothy, they had their wine...

QoS : In the interests of decency, we'll refrain from completing that rhyme.

<strong>the excellent life is the life lived according to god and made righteous by the son. we walk abundantly in a life of christ</strong>

"Chrissy! Stop stamping on christ's childhood. And Jeremy, why is all that mud on the crucifixion? I told you to wipe your feet before walking in christ's life!"

<strong>i would need to know more about the people in question in order to make an informed response.</strong>

Shit, I didn't expect anyone would notice I evaded the question. Better just blow some smoke and hope it covers my ass.

<strong>every person has a sex.</strong>

Some lucky people have more than one!

<strong>in this way sexual disposistion is part of every person. whenever you treat someone with complete disregard to sex, you therefore don't treat the person as a whole.</strong>

People meet me all the time, and they never take my need for sex into account. It's very frustrating.

I mean, when I meet a woman, I treat her as a hole. I don't know why she can't reciprocate my burning need.

<strong>its like this. everyone cries for equality of gays.</strong>

Fred Phelps screams the loudest. I mean that. I called him up one day when I was really lonely 'cause I didn't have a woman. He nearly burst my eardrum.

<strong>which is to say that people should not be discriminated against because of their sex. thats a great idea.</strong>

A great idea like New Coke. You know, that kind of great idea. &lt;nudge, wink&gt;

<strong>however, how can being gay have any relevance unless we look at the sex of a person as a factor.</strong>

The sex you're having shows whether you're gay or not. If you're like me and not having it, it shows whether you're religious or not.

I'm so religious.

But they still won't take Discover.

<strong>if we close our eyes totally to sex, heterosexuality, homosexuality are utterly meaningless.</strong>

God Hates Nothing : suggested new motto of the Phelps family.

<strong>yet gays and other minorities are the very first to shout and proclaim their difference from the norm.</strong>

Like, with people of color, it's all about skin color. You hear them yelling about their "darkness" difference all the time.

<strong>i am all for equality here, yet whether you like it or not, without sex, people are not whole.</strong>

Now, when do I get me some of that good whole?

<strong>i should have expected your sympathy for socialism.</strong>

Commie pinko!

<strong>if the soviet union cuba and china are any indication of the failure of marxism, then there is no hope for you.</strong>

And if there's no hope for you, will you go out with me?

<strong>any entitlement theory and marxism share a common ancestor.</strong>

Satan! Get behind me - empty space there.

<strong>i only need to point to the success of capitalism... to prove my point. </strong>

O I had a very pointy little point and a pointy little point I had,
But the teacher spanked my little round behind and said I was a naughty lad.

[ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: QueenofSwords ]</p>

Queen of Swords

Wow, another MSTing. Remember, unless otherwise stated, you are speaking.

<strong>god creates us perfect.</strong>

I then take personal responsibility for the downfall of any and all women.

<strong>babies have not yet reached the age of consent.</strong>

It's a long wait, but it's worthwhile.

<strong>babies will be just as adam and eve before they ate of the tree. </strong>

NAKED!

<strong>i am not putting word in your mouth, quite the contrary. </strong>

Baby, if you only knew what I wanted to &lt;&lt;&lt;censored&gt;&gt;&gt;

<strong>by nature of your inquiry, it seems that this is what you propose. if i am wrong tell me. are you afraid of your own position?</strong>

Does a bear shit in City Hall? Is the pope Benny Hinn?

<strong>as i've stated earlier, if you don't like it, no one is going to force it on you. and i've answered your question a million times,</strong>

And in a million different ways have I sung of my love, from the deepest ocean depths to the glorious skies above...

<strong>you just don't accept my answer.</strong>

I know what's best for you!

<strong>i am willing to accept his teachings, misogyny and all</strong>

Women stink. None of them will go out with me, anyway.

Especially when they find out I have a Discover.

<strong>keep it coming, i'll keep pointing you back to the word when your understanding fails.</strong>

I was a pointer in the Dog Show. I didn't win anything, but they said I cocked my leg real good.

<strong>god is god,</strong>

Except when he's love or his son.

<strong>"human" rights are irrelevant to god. </strong>

God Borg : This "human" you speak of is unknown to us. We must assimiliate it and add its biological distinctiveness to our own. "Human" rights are irrelevant. Resistance is futile.

<strong>you didn't read the whole response</strong>

I know all and see all!

<strong>yes god himself being omniscient knows the outcome.</strong>

He was banned from most of the casinos in Las Vegas for that very reason.

<strong>i cant define normal </strong>

QoS : I'm not surprised.

<strong>thought [the RRP forum was] where i was......</strong>

QoS : That was your first mistake - trying to think. But don't worry, I'm giving you a small taste of it.

This time's free. Put the fricking Discover card away.

<strong>on a very personal level, i would never want to own another human being.</strong>

Now a woman I would give anything to own. Do you know where I could buy one?

QoS : No more Discover running gag, I promise.

<strong>now you are the straw man.</strong>

You're like, from the Wizard of Oz, right? Oh boy, I loved that movie!

<strong>you can beat me</strong>

QoS : I know. But unfortunately for you, I'm not going to.

<strong>were it not for unwanted sexual advances, i wouldn't be here, and i think many others share my fate. it is funny and its the truth.</strong>

QoS : You know, it's nice to peg a troll as a complete loon. But it's even nicer to have it confirmed.

<strong>has your world become so sterile</strong>

QoS : Again with the sexual innuendos!

<strong>you're getting old before my eyes.</strong>

Oh wait, that was just the mirror.

<strong>i still don't know what is disgusting. </strong>

The Bible : "As a dog returns to its vomit..."

<strong>i cant feel bad about such comments unless i know what they were and how they affected you.</strong>

But even then, I probably wouldn't feel bad. So come on, just take the damn credit card already. Look, it's a green one!

Deputy42

you're still gonna need donors. like kid rock says its not bragging if you say it and back it up.

bring whatever problems you have.

how so? if you don't like that, i have similar problems with affirmative action.

if you keep asking questions, i'll keep answering the best i can. i'm sorry you don't welcome dissent here, rather christian in your intolerance wouldn't you say?

what you call preaching i call education. still cant worm your way out of the relevance argument. dont worry, no one can

yeah i've wanted to use it since i heard it. what do you want to reply to? what evidence would you like to see? i will do my best to astonish you, but i need to know what you're talking about.

there you go again with those words in the mouth. ulitmately, i think god exists. we are instructed to live by gods word. however we are also instructed to not forsake wisdom. many of you focus on that one aspect of pauls teachings. i think other sections of his teachings would provide answers to your questions. what chance is there for a person to submit to another who does not submit to the authority god? the beauty of the life in christ is the realization that you are not perfect. will not living according to pauls teachings in this matter keep you out of heaven? not if your heart is centered on christ.

again, who is this god that you would deny? obviously you must have an idea of what god would be or should be in order to deny its existence. if you deny the god of the bible, thats fine just admit to that if its true. the importance and the meaning of your denial exists only in relation to what you are rejecting. what is god???tell me? thats the problem with your position. you have to acknowledge theology in order to say it does not exist or even to say that it is wrong. teach me.

i deny the validity of your entitlement theory. by your own argument, an atheist doesn't need to explain his theory, only the theist. i'll call myself an aforcedequalitist. ball in your court.

what is the exact question you wish to have answered? i will redouble my efforts.

i dont remember saying that you required my protection. how many girls would go out for a girls only football team? will that team be required the very same funding and support as the male team even though a girls team wont bring in nearly as much in revenue? please explain? i think athletic women are beautiful.

Queen of Swords

bonduca : zero multiplied by two is still zero.

Deputy42

that is the legacy from adam. the free gift of christ cleanses you from sin.

could not agree with you more.


right. babies arent ashamed of being naked, just like adam and eve before the fall. now we are getting somewhere
what was that?

which city hall? who is benny hinn? teach me.

the fact that you don't accept my answer doesnt mean that i am right and you are wrong. you just dont hear what i am saying the right light. damn those atheist prejudices, o wait atheists are the openminded ones i forgot.

ok...you lost me.

im sorry you are not finding any luck with the ladies, i didnt know you swung that way.

YOU HAVE DISCOVER CARD????

yeah but a lot of people came to the show....and ya know what else? more people know the joys of dog grooming because of it. praise the lord!

god is still god when god is the son. its the mystery of the trinity.

i suppose that makes me locutus of borg

good for you, will you teach me?

yeah i know, he was counting cards again.

can you define it? ive asked repeatedly. yet you seem to evade questions too. i think we're getting more alike than different.

thank you, thats awful charitable coming from an evil atheist. maybe i was wrong about you. trying to think is everyones first mistake.

we cant really own anything can we? yeah sure were you here i would show you downtown, perfect place for a lady like you to pick up a lady.

what? a heartbeat? breathe in the air? the lunatic is on the grass indeed.

ok, will you teach me at least?

honesty is the best policy. please instruct me. will you teach me? i am merely a troll and you are the mightly light giving god denier....o lucifer your light is so bright!

can you back that up with proof? does the dog eat only his vomit? is it considered sexual harrassment for the dog to eat a bitch's vomit? WHAT ABOUT DOGGIE RIGHTS?? o the humanity!

who is this god that i deny? proove god exists to me, show me that he is real! what? this is god? surely this is not god? who is god? i dont know.....im so sad.....

Deputy42

ouch! no that hurts! got me right here