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Blankman · 09-14-2002, 09:25 PM

Seems that most people are worried about what happens to us after death. Well what about what happened to us before we were born. Has anyone ever had a near birth or pre-birth experience? If some people supposedly recall details after death, you would think a few would recall details before life. Any ideas or comments other than those of reincarnation?

Oxidizing Material · 09-15-2002, 12:04 AM

I was probably a piece of food whose protien was used to cultivate and grow a sperm cell with half the DNA that was needed to grow me from one cell to billions.

Denshuu · 09-15-2002, 03:01 AM

Yeah, what he said.

sakrilege · 09-15-2002, 03:18 AM

Some people believe in reincarnation, would that count as a prebirth experience?

sighhswolf · 09-15-2002, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Blankman:
<strong>Seems that most people are worried about what happens to us after death. Well what about what happened to us before we were born. Has anyone ever had a near birth or pre-birth experience? If some people supposedly recall details after death, you would think a few would recall details before life. Any ideas or comments other than those of reincarnation?</strong>

Religionists have that one covered.
It would seem that this supreme being shrouds the minds of those who are chosen to be birthed to earthly parents from their prior home in heaven.
Has to do with the thin veil.
Wolf

Evil Milkman · 09-15-2002, 07:48 AM

Seeing as logically our brains wouldn't be even close to being fully functional, I think if you actually heard someone telling their pre-birth "experience" you would just be getting lip service. Imaginations must have brains to support them, right?

frostymama · 09-15-2002, 07:59 AM

Is there ever really a time "before life"? Before birth, yes... but before life?

Sperm and ova are alive. The ovum that formed you started developing when your mother was a fetus. That fetus was formed from another ovum and sperm, and that ovum started developing when your grandmother was a fetus.... it goes on like that all the way back to the very begining.

Now of course I don't believe that ova and sperm are self aware, but I don't believe fetuses are self aware either... at least not the way we are.

So basically, you were an egg and sperm that developed into an embryo, then fetus. Basically life before you were born consisted of a dark uterus, floating around in amniotic fluid, and eventually hearing your mom's heartbeat and digestive sounds. Sounds pretty dull to me.

ExTheist · 09-15-2002, 08:09 AM

I wonder how a "just" supreme being decides which "shrouded mind" gets born to a healthy mother and which ones get born to an HIV, crack addict?

Evil Milkman · 09-15-2002, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by ExTheist:
<strong>I wonder how a "just" supreme being decides which "shrouded mind" gets born to a healthy mother and which ones get born to an HIV, crack addict?</strong>

Sadly (and absurdly), to a Christian, this one is easy. They will undoubtedly answer with the same tiresome line, "It's God's perfect Will that this baby was born to an AIDs inflicted mother, etc..."

Not only do I not buy this but I think it's preposterous at best.

Again I reiterate: People must take responsibility for their own actions and stop with this "it's God's Will" nonsense!

Blankman · 09-15-2002, 08:03 PM

Thanks for the great posts everyone. I like the piece of food idea by Oxidizing Material. Let's see, had to have protien, that narrows it down a bit. Okay, I wasn't a fruit or vegetable! LOL. I was kind of hoping a theist might stumble onto this to explain the christian side of where the imaginative "soul" originates or where it was before supposedly being put into a body, etc. etc. If they can't explain where we were, how can they be trusted to tell us where we are going?

"sakrilege- Some people believe in reincarnation, would that count as a prebirth experience?"

Me: Well, I suppose it sort of would, but I really didn't want to get into the realm of reincarnation. I was thinking more of where a persons "soul", if you will, was even before previous lives that a person might claim to have had.

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09-15-2002, 12:04 AM	#2
Oxidizing Material Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 2,069	I was probably a piece of food whose protien was used to cultivate and grow a sperm cell with half the DNA that was needed to grow me from one cell to billions.

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Denshuu Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 164	Yeah, what he said.

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sakrilege Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH, USA Folding@Home Godless Team Posts: 6,211	Some people believe in reincarnation, would that count as a prebirth experience?

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Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Seeing as logically our brains wouldn't be even close to being fully functional, I think if you actually heard someone telling their pre-birth "experience" you would just be getting lip service. Imaginations must have brains to support them, right?

09-15-2002, 07:59 AM	#7
frostymama Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Georgia USA Posts: 927	Is there ever really a time "before life"? Before birth, yes... but before life? Sperm and ova are alive. The ovum that formed you started developing when your mother was a fetus. That fetus was formed from another ovum and sperm, and that ovum started developing when your grandmother was a fetus.... it goes on like that all the way back to the very begining. Now of course I don't believe that ova and sperm are self aware, but I don't believe fetuses are self aware either... at least not the way we are. So basically, you were an egg and sperm that developed into an embryo, then fetus. Basically life before you were born consisted of a dark uterus, floating around in amniotic fluid, and eventually hearing your mom's heartbeat and digestive sounds. Sounds pretty dull to me.

09-15-2002, 08:09 AM	#8
ExTheist Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 238	I wonder how a "just" supreme being decides which "shrouded mind" gets born to a healthy mother and which ones get born to an HIV, crack addict?

09-15-2002, 08:03 PM	#10
Blankman Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 41	Thanks for the great posts everyone. I like the piece of food idea by Oxidizing Material. Let's see, had to have protien, that narrows it down a bit. Okay, I wasn't a fruit or vegetable! LOL. I was kind of hoping a theist might stumble onto this to explain the christian side of where the imaginative "soul" originates or where it was before supposedly being put into a body, etc. etc. If they can't explain where we were, how can they be trusted to tell us where we are going? "sakrilege- Some people believe in reincarnation, would that count as a prebirth experience?" Me: Well, I suppose it sort of would, but I really didn't want to get into the realm of reincarnation. I was thinking more of where a persons "soul", if you will, was even before previous lives that a person might claim to have had.

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