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Egoinos · 07-20-2002, 06:34 PM

What I never understood is why, if God is so loving and doesn't want people to die, he didn't just decide to forgive everyone's sin without sacrificing himself to himself in order to do it? I mean, it is a bit odd, to decide that in order for you to bear the sight of all these people who've been doing what you told 'em to do (sacrifices and whatnot), you need to come to earth, and kill yourself as a sacrifice to yourself then raise yourself from the dead thus forgiving everybody who accepts you?

Wierdy wierdy wierdy.

Technos · 07-20-2002, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by AJ113:
Technos:

Some people convert to Christianity after consideration of the facts and the application of their reason.

Mostly former christians who had a deep seeded belief in some kind of god all along in my experiance.

07-20-2002, 08:15 PM

Not A Theist: True, EXCEPT, God alledgedly loves us. Would you have a finger broken to save billions of people you love?

diana · 07-21-2002, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Vesica:
Point taken.

Just a hint though...You might get more people (Particularly Christians whom you are seeking) posting in here if your replies were a little less abrasive...

Vesica,

One did. He goes by Atticus Finch, and his initial post was highly melodramatic. I personally thought peteyh's reply was right on the money--less dramatic, but clearly illustrating the inherent stupidity of the doctrine of Godly Masochism for Man.

As Technos pointed out, the only difference is the drama of the "bashing head on pavement" method that causes people to respond emotionally, which automatically clouds their reasoning.

'Why is the crucifixion touted as such a big deal?' to the best of my abilities....

You did well. It isn't your fault that the doctrine you were trying to explain has so many logical flaws. peteyh is arguing against the doctrine--not you.

Sorry I can't address 'Why this needed to happen in the first place?'

If you could, I think I could arrange for you to have dinner with the Pope. I'm sure he'd pay handsomely for your answer.

d

Walter_Mitty · 07-21-2002, 10:18 AM

Jayman,

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When Jesus died on the cross the sins of the world went to hell with him. When he was resurrected the sins of men were still in hell.

So, the world is now without sin? Sure could have fooled me.

Jayman · 07-21-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
So, the world is now without sin? Sure could have fooled me.

No I don't think the world is without sin. I meant that when someone dies and they're going to go to heaven their sins go to hell.

Viti · 07-21-2002, 11:27 AM

Their sins go to hell? How can an action or thought go one place while...oh nevermind...ya'll think some invisible part of us travels to someplace called heaven...so nontangibles can go to hell as well

The whole concept sounds so juvenile to me....like my niece's potty training "Doody go down the hole cuz it's nasty"

Liquidrage · 07-21-2002, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Jayman:
... However, I'm clueless as to why God needs the shedding of blood to forgive sins.

It's because god was created in man's image

Walter_Mitty · 07-21-2002, 01:06 PM

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It's because god was created in man's image

You should put that on a bumper sticker.

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07-20-2002, 06:34 PM	#21
Egoinos Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 423	What I never understood is why, if God is so loving and doesn't want people to die, he didn't just decide to forgive everyone's sin without sacrificing himself to himself in order to do it? I mean, it is a bit odd, to decide that in order for you to bear the sight of all these people who've been doing what you told 'em to do (sacrifices and whatnot), you need to come to earth, and kill yourself as a sacrifice to yourself then raise yourself from the dead thus forgiving everybody who accepts you? Wierdy wierdy wierdy.

07-20-2002, 08:15 PM	#23
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Not A Theist: True, EXCEPT, God alledgedly loves us. Would you have a finger broken to save billions of people you love?

07-21-2002, 09:13 AM	#24
diana Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 6,471	Originally posted by Vesica: Point taken. Just a hint though...You might get more people (Particularly Christians whom you are seeking) posting in here if your replies were a little less abrasive... Vesica, One did. He goes by Atticus Finch, and his initial post was highly melodramatic. I personally thought peteyh's reply was right on the money--less dramatic, but clearly illustrating the inherent stupidity of the doctrine of Godly Masochism for Man. As Technos pointed out, the only difference is the drama of the "bashing head on pavement" method that causes people to respond emotionally, which automatically clouds their reasoning. 'Why is the crucifixion touted as such a big deal?' to the best of my abilities.... You did well. It isn't your fault that the doctrine you were trying to explain has so many logical flaws. peteyh is arguing against the doctrine--not you. Sorry I can't address 'Why this needed to happen in the first place?' If you could, I think I could arrange for you to have dinner with the Pope. I'm sure he'd pay handsomely for your answer. d

07-21-2002, 11:27 AM	#27
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Their sins go to hell? How can an action or thought go one place while...oh nevermind...ya'll think some invisible part of us travels to someplace called heaven...so nontangibles can go to hell as well The whole concept sounds so juvenile to me....like my niece's potty training "Doody go down the hole cuz it's nasty"

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