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Has anyone heard of the concept of "Dual Fulfillment" of prophecy? According to this idea prophecies in the bible contain a "minor fulfillment" and a "major fulfillment". Consider the virgin birth prophecy in Isaiah 7:14. According to this theory, the minor fulfillment was the birth that took place subsequent to Isaiah's prophecy and the major fulfillment was the birth of Jesus. I find this argument to be completely ad hoc. Does anyone know if there is any biblical or Talmudic support for such a concept? It certainly is an ingenius piece of apologetic.

Undercurrent

I've heard of it before, but never any justifcation for it, other than allowing the believer to thinl that the prophecy is about Jesus when it's obviously about something else.

m.

Butters

I have not been able to get a Christian to answer this either. But what I find really funny is the example given. Isaiah 7 was NOT fufilled! He predicted that King Ahaz would be victorious, when he was not.
This leads to two problems,
1) By the Bible's own rules, anyone that prophesied in Gods name, and that prophecy does not come true is a false prophet, so every other prophecy of Isaiah must be thrown out.
2) If it is a dual prophecy, then the "other" prophecy must also be false!

Uzzah

You know...this solves the Judas thread....He had a minor and major prophecy that he had to fill...so he died twice...

Uzzah

Sauron

I've heard of it. It's like each prophecy has two 'echoes' in history: a minor one, which comes first, and then a major one, which comes later.

I think it's been used primarily to justify how the gospel writers could pull a random verse from the Old Testament, and claim that it was the fulfillment of a messianic prophecy.

It's also used to promote zionism.

Asha'man

I agree, he clearly died twice. But who resurrected him in between? That is the important question! And what type of sick god would allow a man to be resurrected just to die another painful death?

Uzzah

Oh my god! They killed Judas! You Bastards!!



Uzzah

Geoff Hudson

THE PROPHECY OF THE THREE CROSSES IN JOSEPHUS

The ‘minor’ fulfilments occur in Life 75. At the end of the war, Josephus (Joseph) came across three of his friends who had been crucified. So he went with tears in his eyes to Titus and told him about them. Titus commanded that they be taken down and taken care of by physicians. Two died and one recovered.

The ‘major’ fulfilments are in: Mat. 27.28 - ‘Two robbers (zealots) were crucified with him’, and v.57 – ‘a rich man named Joseph ... going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate commanded that it be given to him’. And of course Jesus ‘survived’.

The crucifixion was fiction.

Geoff

Butters

"The ‘major’ fulfilments are in: Mat. 27.28 - ‘Two robbers (zealots) were crucified with him’, and v.57 – ‘a rich man named Joseph ... going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate commanded that it be given to him’. And of course Jesus ‘survived’. "

Jesus predicted this himself.
He said "as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days, so shall the son of man be in the tomb for three days"

Thats exactly what happened, Jonah went into the fish alive, and so did Jesus!

atrahasis

Yap thats right, from the way the book of isaiah is written, it is as if the the prophecies had already happened/occured.....prophecies
--A .Heidel

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