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Hawkingfan · 12-06-2002, 10:43 AM

I really don't understand how anyone should be concerned about "burning in hell". The whole concept is crazy. Forgetting for the moment that we live in the twenty-first century (where we should know better), for entertainment value, please consider--Since my body (which contains all of my NERVE ENDINGS) will be dead, buried, and rotting away in the ground, how the hell am I supposed to feel heat? Does my "soul" have nerve endings? (given the benefit of the doubt that I even have a soul) Please answer in physical, scientific terminology--you have to, because the word "fire" you are using is in terms of how it exists in the physical, scientific sense.

NOGO · 12-06-2002, 10:57 AM

All I can say is that Frivolous carries his name well.

Volestrangler · 12-06-2002, 11:20 AM

I would just like to remark that Frivolous' version of hell departs from the Biblical one, replacing the lake of fire and brimstone with magma.

Hawkingfan · 12-06-2002, 12:58 PM

Oh, and another thing--How can anything burn forever? Nothing in this universe can burn forever. Even stars. Their fuel supply runs out eventually. How much "fuel" does the "soul" have? The Christian may say that hell is not of this universe, but then they cannot speak of hell in terms of our material universe (fire, etc.).

xsquid · 12-06-2002, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Frivolous:

And also the fact that there's all that magma downstairs and geothermal energy, so i suppose it wouldnt be a very nice place to be.[/QB]

Well, upstairs there's all those jetstreams and intense cold, so I suppose heaven wouldn't be a very nice place to be, either.

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ashibaka · 12-08-2002, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Frivolous:
<strong>suppose God is true >> suppose then that the Bible must be true >> Suppose then that Hell exists</strong>

Suppose that flying saucers are true >> suppose then that Elvis-UFO conspiracies must be true >> suppose then that Elvis is alive...

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Buffman · 12-08-2002, 10:42 AM

If Frivolous were on the space station and he stepped outside to play without a space suit, he would find Hell very quickly. So perhaps we should also be asking him about where he thinks Heaven is located.

Frivolous · 12-09-2002, 04:31 AM

Maybe eternity is the instant before we really die. From the viewpoint of our own cognitive awareness this isnt too hard to believe. Since time and space are one and the same then maybe the eternity we endure before we really die is experienced as an endless expanse of space. But what are we? Fundamentally speaking, we are mass
and since mass is energy then it is well possible that Hell can fit a lot of people and be able to continually burn them.

I have not been drinking.

I heard that in Hell people eat each other. Therefore your soul flesh (the flesh you wear when you are in Hell) probably grows back at a very fast rate, seeing as you would die if you lost all your flesh. This means that you can constantly be burned while not becoming numb to the fire because the new flesh regrowth would have new nerve endings.

At least i dont kill threads.

Hawkingfan · 12-09-2002, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by Frivolous:
<strong>Maybe eternity is the instant before we really die.</strong>

You are contradicting yourself. Eternity is not eternity if you die.

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Since time and space are one and the same then maybe the eternity we endure before we really die is experienced as an endless expanse of space.[/QB]

You are clearly making this up. What church teaches this? Scriptures?

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since mass is energy then it is well possible that Hell can fit a lot of people and be able to continually burn them.[/QB]

Mass and energy are interchangeable, but NOTHING in this universe can burn forever! Every single star (which has mass and energy) in the universe will cool eventually. The overall temperature of the universe is constantly lowering.

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I heard that in Hell people eat each other. Therefore your soul flesh (the flesh you wear when you are in Hell) probably grows back at a very fast rate, seeing as you would die if you lost all your flesh.[/QB]

Who made this up? It is certainly not in the bible. Where is the scientific explanation for soul flesh growing back really fast? Are you saying that bodies do not decompose when they die but magically disappear to hell? If hell is to burn you, then you would constantly and instantly be incinerated (especially if the burning is caused by magma). There would be no time to eat someone else. I can't believe I am arguing these points. Are you joking?

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This means that you can constantly be burned while not becoming numb to the fire because the new flesh regrowth would have new nerve endings.[/QB]

Quackery!!!Where did you get this goobledygook? Where is the scripture reference? Are you saying that trillions of cells undergo mitosis almost instantly to create a new body? This BS speaks for itself.

Marduk · 12-09-2002, 03:09 PM

"This means that you can constantly be burned while not becoming numb to the fire because the new flesh regrowth would have new nerve endings."

I've heard Muslims argue this, maybe it's from the Koran. They go into much detail about what Heaven and Hell are like.
According to the Koran there is another branch of hell so bad that the people in hell pray 400 times a day not to be put there.

I think Friv is talking about time dilation, not that it explanis the burning or eating each other business (unless you happen to die in a fire etc.).

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12-06-2002, 10:43 AM	#11
Hawkingfan Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247	I really don't understand how anyone should be concerned about "burning in hell". The whole concept is crazy. Forgetting for the moment that we live in the twenty-first century (where we should know better), for entertainment value, please consider--Since my body (which contains all of my NERVE ENDINGS) will be dead, buried, and rotting away in the ground, how the hell am I supposed to feel heat? Does my "soul" have nerve endings? (given the benefit of the doubt that I even have a soul) Please answer in physical, scientific terminology--you have to, because the word "fire" you are using is in terms of how it exists in the physical, scientific sense.

12-06-2002, 10:57 AM	#12
NOGO Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 1,562	All I can say is that Frivolous carries his name well.

12-06-2002, 11:20 AM	#13
Volestrangler Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Third rock from the sun Posts: 19	I would just like to remark that Frivolous' version of hell departs from the Biblical one, replacing the lake of fire and brimstone with magma.

12-06-2002, 12:58 PM	#14
Hawkingfan Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247	Oh, and another thing--How can anything burn forever? Nothing in this universe can burn forever. Even stars. Their fuel supply runs out eventually. How much "fuel" does the "soul" have? The Christian may say that hell is not of this universe, but then they cannot speak of hell in terms of our material universe (fire, etc.).

12-08-2002, 10:42 AM	#17
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	If Frivolous were on the space station and he stepped outside to play without a space suit, he would find Hell very quickly. So perhaps we should also be asking him about where he thinks Heaven is located.

12-09-2002, 04:31 AM	#18
Frivolous Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 101	Maybe eternity is the instant before we really die. From the viewpoint of our own cognitive awareness this isnt too hard to believe. Since time and space are one and the same then maybe the eternity we endure before we really die is experienced as an endless expanse of space. But what are we? Fundamentally speaking, we are mass and since mass is energy then it is well possible that Hell can fit a lot of people and be able to continually burn them. I have not been drinking. I heard that in Hell people eat each other. Therefore your soul flesh (the flesh you wear when you are in Hell) probably grows back at a very fast rate, seeing as you would die if you lost all your flesh. This means that you can constantly be burned while not becoming numb to the fire because the new flesh regrowth would have new nerve endings. At least i dont kill threads.

12-09-2002, 03:09 PM	#20
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	"This means that you can constantly be burned while not becoming numb to the fire because the new flesh regrowth would have new nerve endings." I've heard Muslims argue this, maybe it's from the Koran. They go into much detail about what Heaven and Hell are like. According to the Koran there is another branch of hell so bad that the people in hell pray 400 times a day not to be put there. I think Friv is talking about time dilation, not that it explanis the burning or eating each other business (unless you happen to die in a fire etc.).

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