Answerer

Hi guys, the identity of Mary had been debates for a long time mainly among the churchs. So, is Mary the wife or mother of Jesus? Or was there two women having the same name, Mary?

Pantera

I think this must have been intended for Bible Criticism and Archaeology.

Amos

Mary was the Mother of Jesus. Better question would be "who was Jesus" because he was the one who said "who is my mother." Better yet, "who was John" because he also was introduced to Mary as her son by Jesus.

Mary became the spouse of Jesus after Coronation in heaven.

Mary was all woman and therefore without sin and as such the womb of man (not as in womb with ovaries but as in "flesh of my flesh and bone of my bones).

Ps. I should have added that the heart of Mary is equal to the heart of Christ but not until after Coronation (like what a true romance is the image of).

[ March 11, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

Answerer

If Mary was the mother of Jesus, how ocme there are so many people claimed that Mary was the wife of Jesus and that the catholics church manipulated the evidences and identity of Mary?

Amos

Well let's just say that Mary is very enigmatic and let you figure out the rest.

lpetrich

Simple answer: there is more than one Mary here. One who gave birth to him, and one who supposedly had some relationship with him (Mary Magdalene).

Undercurrent

I personally think that that screams that the current gospels are a synthesis of more than one eariler tradition in which the Mary character played different roles.

m.

spin

lpetrich:
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Simple answer: there is more than one Mary here. One who gave birth to him, and one who supposedly had some relationship with him (Mary Magdalene).
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Michael:
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I personally think that that screams that the current gospels are a synthesis of more than one eariler tradition in which the Mary character played different roles.
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How about facing the fact that "Mary" was a common name in the literature. There's was a Mary, mother of Jesus, a Mary sister of Martha, a Mary Magdalene, a Mary mother of James and Joses (Joseph) -- unless one wants to argue that this latter is Mary mother of Jesus, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas; but then she was with Mary Magdalene in Mk 15:47 --, and a Mary wife of Cleophas (even a Mary mother of John Mark).

Amos

How about Mary theotokos was woman as "taken from man" in Gen.2 This "man" is "Everyman" including you, me and my sister. This Mary is the womb-of-man wherein the image of man is conceived. This woman is the seat of Wisdom (Tree of Life) but needs the Tree of Knowledge (conscious mind) to gain wisdom, food and beauty as per Gen.3:6 to be retained in the TOL (subconscious mind).

Mary Magdale was the [lesser] serpent of the TOK, called Eve in Genesis whose curse was "I will put emnity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers; She will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

These two serpents are responsible for the turmoil in our own mind when "woman" strikes at Eve (the serpent) and Eve in turn strikes at our heel to move us along toward a destiny prefigured by "woman" until finally the question emerges "who am I and what is my purpose on earth."

The Mary and Martha parable is about this catfight and Magdalene and all the other Mary's and women (Eve's) were responsible for particular apostles (eidetic images) of reality. On this basis the different women at the tomb can be explained. The woman at the well is also a nice parable to have Eve ponder the infinity (living water) of Mary.

spin

Amos,

Why?