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Lowly Idiot · 07-22-2003, 01:17 PM

Hello,I was wondering if any of the big brains out there could shed some light on a bloke named Jus Asaf.

I managed to catch a documentary on the crucifixtion last night and the upshot of it all was that Jesus didn't die on the cross.Oh,no.He's a crafty monkey and he managed to get some freinds of his to smuggle him out of his tomb in the middle of the night and hotfoots it to Kashmir and calls himself Jus Asaf.

I've never heard of this theory before and would like to know more.Any info?

p.s here's a link to documentary website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...esus-die.shtml

WinAce · 07-23-2003, 11:25 AM

I, too, would like to learn more about this. I did a websearch but didn't find anything. I expect it's of the same quality as Acharya S.' stuff, but you never know...

River · 07-23-2003, 12:52 PM

Ya, you guys stumbled upon the most controversial topic in human history!!...buckle your seat belts and prepare for a long journey

Jesus Christ(pbuh) is called Yeshua or Yehesa in hebrew/aramaic . This translates to Son of Man or Son of Adam.

In Kashmir, He is known as Jus Asaf or Yus Asaf or " Jesus the Healer". It is a well supported theory with considerable evidence. The Ahmadi Muslims ( who are heretical in most aspects) appear to have found dozens of Independent documents and locations in India bearing the name of Jesus. They believe Jesus Christ escaped or "swooned" out of the Crucifix and traveled to Kashmir to unite the lost Tribes. They also believe he lived up to the age of 120 before he finally died.

The Aramaic Matthew or Gospel of Holy Twelve aka Gospel of Perfect Life fills in the gap of Jesus Christ's teenage years. He traveled as an ascetic traveler seeking knowledge from Sages of Tibet , India and Persia. He had some trouble in India, because Prophet Jesus Christ was upset when he saw the numerous idols. Thus, he found himself in the middle of another death -threat conspiracy. Tibetan documents name Jesus as "Issa" or " Issar", the very names found for Jesus in the Arabic Qur'an. This name for Jesus Christ did not occur by coincidence in the Qur'an.

The Gospel of Barnabus gives another look into the life of Jesus Christ. It says that the Crucifixtion was an illusion. Judas wanted to sell of Jesus Christ to the Roman or Jewish authorites because Jesus Christ refused Kingship. Right before Judas handed over Jesus to the authorities....the very face of Judas transfigured to the likeness of Jesus. So Judas was nailed to the cross...where he cried out " O God, O God, Why have you forsaken me". According to this Gospel there were only 2 witnesses, Simon and Peter. Jesus Christ then Ascended to Heaven.

The Gospel of Thomas , a Gnostic Scripture also confirms that the Crucifixtion was a clever hoax or illusion, thus they too also believe in Christ's Ascension.

The Naqshbandi Sufi Islamic order believes that the arrival of Jesus Christ ( Isa Masih in arabic) is imminent because 149/150 "Signs" have been fulfilled. As well as their claim that Imam Mahdi ( the archetypal Elijah) is alive today as well as the Dajjal ( Anti-Christ).

There are other accounts of Jesus's Ascension. One narration goes something like this....the following account has been paraphrased.... Jesus says who will like to take my place for I must Ascend to my Creator (addressing the Apostles). Simon, the youngest of them says " I will take your place". Jesus says , " Sit down ..think before you speak". Jesus says " I ask again , who will take my place"....(after asking 3x)....Simon keeps responding " I will take your place".......In the end Simon took Jesus's place.

The Dead Sea Scrolls of Qumran, says that "Paul" or possibly "Judas" was the Liar...and that Jesus will escape his punishment.

River · 07-23-2003, 02:10 PM

"And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, �Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 157-158 Holy Qur'an )

EstherRose · 07-23-2003, 03:48 PM

Yet you base this on texts that have been proven to be forgeries.

Doctor X · 07-23-2003, 04:00 PM

"Damage report!! Damage report! Spock! What happened!"

"The ship's Irony Meter has been overloaded."

--J.D.

07-22-2003, 01:17 PM	#1
Lowly Idiot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Creamy pot lane Posts: 671	Jus Asaf? Hello,I was wondering if any of the big brains out there could shed some light on a bloke named Jus Asaf. I managed to catch a documentary on the crucifixtion last night and the upshot of it all was that Jesus didn't die on the cross.Oh,no.He's a crafty monkey and he managed to get some freinds of his to smuggle him out of his tomb in the middle of the night and hotfoots it to Kashmir and calls himself Jus Asaf. I've never heard of this theory before and would like to know more.Any info? p.s here's a link to documentary website http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...esus-die.shtml

07-23-2003, 12:52 PM	#3
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	The True Jesus Christ Ya, you guys stumbled upon the most controversial topic in human history!!...buckle your seat belts and prepare for a long journey Jesus Christ(pbuh) is called Yeshua or Yehesa in hebrew/aramaic . This translates to Son of Man or Son of Adam. In Kashmir, He is known as Jus Asaf or Yus Asaf or " Jesus the Healer". It is a well supported theory with considerable evidence. The Ahmadi Muslims ( who are heretical in most aspects) appear to have found dozens of Independent documents and locations in India bearing the name of Jesus. They believe Jesus Christ escaped or "swooned" out of the Crucifix and traveled to Kashmir to unite the lost Tribes. They also believe he lived up to the age of 120 before he finally died. The Aramaic Matthew or Gospel of Holy Twelve aka Gospel of Perfect Life fills in the gap of Jesus Christ's teenage years. He traveled as an ascetic traveler seeking knowledge from Sages of Tibet , India and Persia. He had some trouble in India, because Prophet Jesus Christ was upset when he saw the numerous idols. Thus, he found himself in the middle of another death -threat conspiracy. Tibetan documents name Jesus as "Issa" or " Issar", the very names found for Jesus in the Arabic Qur'an. This name for Jesus Christ did not occur by coincidence in the Qur'an. The Gospel of Barnabus gives another look into the life of Jesus Christ. It says that the Crucifixtion was an illusion. Judas wanted to sell of Jesus Christ to the Roman or Jewish authorites because Jesus Christ refused Kingship. Right before Judas handed over Jesus to the authorities....the very face of Judas transfigured to the likeness of Jesus. So Judas was nailed to the cross...where he cried out " O God, O God, Why have you forsaken me". According to this Gospel there were only 2 witnesses, Simon and Peter. Jesus Christ then Ascended to Heaven. The Gospel of Thomas , a Gnostic Scripture also confirms that the Crucifixtion was a clever hoax or illusion, thus they too also believe in Christ's Ascension. The Naqshbandi Sufi Islamic order believes that the arrival of Jesus Christ ( Isa Masih in arabic) is imminent because 149/150 "Signs" have been fulfilled. As well as their claim that Imam Mahdi ( the archetypal Elijah) is alive today as well as the Dajjal ( Anti-Christ). There are other accounts of Jesus's Ascension. One narration goes something like this....the following account has been paraphrased.... Jesus says who will like to take my place for I must Ascend to my Creator (addressing the Apostles). Simon, the youngest of them says " I will take your place". Jesus says , " Sit down ..think before you speak". Jesus says " I ask again , who will take my place"....(after asking 3x)....Simon keeps responding " I will take your place".......In the end Simon took Jesus's place. The Dead Sea Scrolls of Qumran, says that "Paul" or possibly "Judas" was the Liar...and that Jesus will escape his punishment.

07-23-2003, 02:10 PM	#4
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	Holy Quran and Jesus Christ [ Isa Masih] "And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, �Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 157-158 Holy Qur'an )

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07-23-2003, 11:25 AM	#2
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	I, too, would like to learn more about this. I did a websearch but didn't find anything. I expect it's of the same quality as Acharya S.' stuff, but you never know...

07-23-2003, 03:48 PM	#5
EstherRose Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 183	Yet you base this on texts that have been proven to be forgeries.

07-23-2003, 04:00 PM	#6
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	"Damage report!! Damage report! Spock! What happened!" "The ship's Irony Meter has been overloaded." --J.D.

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