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Smilin · 05-22-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Meatros
Here's another response:

I said: So how did mankind survive the life ending mega meteor Vredefort?

To which I replied:

Actually meteors the size of the Vredefort do effect the entire earth in one hit.

She then replied:

Meatros...
Where the hell are you posting at? lol...

I need a new site to argue with idiots... the last one canned my ass....lol

Asha'man · 05-22-2003, 03:34 PM

You might also ask about the fine layer of iridium dust that marks the K/T barrier. This iridium dust is from the meteor that scragged the dinosaurs.

If the layer of sediment that buries the dinosaurs is flood residue, how exactly did a fine layer of dust settle on it, to be immediately buried by all the rest of the flood sediment with more recent creatures? There is no way to sprinkle that dust through miles of turbulent flood water to have it settle perfectly between different sets of fossils.

Meatros · 05-22-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Smilin
Meatros...
Where the hell are you posting at? lol...

I need a new site to argue with idiots... the last one canned my ass....lol

Hehehe...It's called the baptist forum. Here's a linkbaptist board

It might take a bit to join though (as in a few days), my memories a little bad, so it's either that board or another one that takes a few days before they approve you.

Incidentally the woman on the board who's most vocal about evo-creation is named Helen Setterfield, wife to the man who owns this site.

The reason I mention this is because Barry Setterfield (the husband) has all sorts of wierd theories about the speed of light and if I read it correctly, how it changes. I haven't read his site completely, but she references it quite often. The guy thinks he is a genius or something.

Spaz · 05-22-2003, 06:14 PM

WOW, I went to that board...those people are hopeless...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Coragyps · 05-22-2003, 07:12 PM

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I need a new site to argue with idiots...

You might try http://www.worthyboards.com/ .
Not much evo-cre, and they seem to have removed two entire threads on the Prophecy forum about the 8.8 Richter earthquake that was going to hit Missouri May 8th, but there sure are some folks to marvel at over there. E.g. : Jesus was from Palestine. Pieces of the Space Shuttle fell on Palestine, TX. Jesus is coming!!! QED.

(the QED part is my addition, lest you get the wrong idea........)

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We hear it all the time, "Isn't it amazing that the scriptures are silent about America?"

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Smilin · 05-23-2003, 07:59 AM

Meatros...

Baptist Board huh? I think I'll pass. I usually don't stereotype,
however the last two clients I had were hard-core devout Baptists. They really left a sour taste in my mouth towards the Baptist denomination.

I'm sure they'd find me just as unworthy as the last Christian site did ...

Meatros · 05-23-2003, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by Smilin
Meatros...
Baptist Board huh? I think I'll pass. I usually don't stereotype,
however the last two clients I had were hard-core devout Baptists. They really left a sour taste in my mouth towards the Baptist denomination.

I'm sure they'd find me just as unworthy as the last Christian site did ...

Yeah, I understand. Instead of a sour taste in your mouth you might develop a worst taste after dealing with this particular board.

Helen is certainly trying desperately to work around the extinction meteors, here's a portion of her latest should we believe in a young earth or our lieing eyes

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Nevertheless, it becomes apparent to even a casual reader of legends that the earth was very different once and subject to violent catastrophes that were only a few generations apart. Our times are relatively quiet, but it was not always like this.

And yes, there is evidence that Peleg and Babel were both times of massive catastrophes. When the Setterfield speed of light model is followed, the c-z (lightspeed, redshift) curve (the same curve with rescaled axes), and the time corrections established, coordinating atomic and dynamical times, the Permian extinction falls almost exactly at the time of Babel and the K/T extinction at the time of Peleg. These correlations, by the way, were not expected nor were they �worked around.� They came as a surprise to Barry, but one that confirmed that he was on the right track.

for some of his work on this, please see Setterfield's site

I'm getting fed up with other aspects of the board to tell the truth.

ps418 · 05-23-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by Meatros
probably barely. Of course, most meteors don't affect the ENTIRE earth in one hit, do they?

I will refuse my temptation to use words like "moron." The problem is that all of the Phanerozoic impacts have to occur in a single year, during the flood, without even sinking the ark.

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Ah, you mean like perhaps setting off a series of volcanoes? (Babel)

A perfect example of someone who has lost all ability to distinguish their own geomythology from what Genesis actually says. Where does Genesis say the first thing about volcanism associated with 'Babel'?

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Or possibly triggering the crustal plates of the earth to start sliding across a super-heated, low viscosity asthenosphere? (Peleg)

Nope. First, even a large impact would not affect signficantly the movement of a crustal plate, any more than a BB would significantly affect the movement of an automobile. Second, even AIG and ICR reject the idea that the "division" of land in the time of Peleg referred to in Genesis refers to anything other than the partioning of land among the sons of Noah, AFTER the flood -- the wrong time to get your runaway subduction started!

Patrick

Smilin · 05-23-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Meatros
Yeah, I understand. Instead of a sour taste in your mouth you might develop a worst taste after dealing with this particular board.

Helen is certainly trying desperately to work around the extinction meteors, here's a portion of her latest should we believe in a young earth or our lieing eyes

I'm getting fed up with other aspects of the board to tell the truth.

Well, I've already heard from other friends the nature of that particular board. While tempted to join you in debating her and that Gog awful site she references, I must restrain myself...lol

I've had enough bashings from fundamentalist idiots to last me a lifetime.

You might consider informing her that the 'current times' aren't as peaceful as she claims....

One prime example is the meteorite that exploded over Siberia and it's effects on the landscape that still remain today.

ps418 · 05-23-2003, 08:37 AM

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And yes, there is evidence that Peleg and Babel were both times of massive catastrophes. When the Setterfield speed of light model is followed, the c-z (lightspeed, redshift) curve (the same curve with rescaled axes), and the time corrections established, coordinating atomic and dynamical times, the Permian extinction falls almost exactly at the time of Babel and the K/T extinction at the time of Peleg. These correlations, by the way, were not expected nor were they �worked around.� They came as a surprise to Barry, but one that confirmed that he was on the right track.

There is not a shred of either textual of geological evidence that indicates an massive catastrophes with Peleg or Babal. Its all in the YEC imagination only. And again, IIRC both Babel and Peleg are post-flood, and it would seem kinda stupid having the biggest two extinctions post-flood, or having all the Permian and younger sediments deposited after the flood.

Patrick

05-22-2003, 03:34 PM	#22
Asha'man Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: southeast Posts: 2,526	Iridium Dust at the K/T You might also ask about the fine layer of iridium dust that marks the K/T barrier. This iridium dust is from the meteor that scragged the dinosaurs. If the layer of sediment that buries the dinosaurs is flood residue, how exactly did a fine layer of dust settle on it, to be immediately buried by all the rest of the flood sediment with more recent creatures? There is no way to sprinkle that dust through miles of turbulent flood water to have it settle perfectly between different sets of fossils.

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Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	WOW, I went to that board...those people are hopeless...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

05-23-2003, 07:59 AM	#26
Smilin Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: SouthEastern US Posts: 1,165	Meatros... Baptist Board huh? I think I'll pass. I usually don't stereotype, however the last two clients I had were hard-core devout Baptists. They really left a sour taste in my mouth towards the Baptist denomination. I'm sure they'd find me just as unworthy as the last Christian site did ...

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