River

Jesus Christ is a Palestinian who called God, Allaha in his native tongue, Aramaic. Similarly Moses called God, Elohim in Hebrew.

Lets begin with the basics. I will define Muslim and Islam, respectively.

Muslim-One who submits voluntarily or involuntarily to God's Will.
The term Muslim was first coined by the Biblical Patriarch Abraham( according to Koran) and it was subsequently used by many other Prophets. The Aramaic rendering of the word is Mushlam. It translates to "the Complete".

Jesus called his apostles "the Muslims"(Luke 6:40)Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher." If you want more details here is a link.
http://www.jewstoislam.com/jesus%20...for%20allah.htm
Jesus says,
"Who will support me in the Message of Allah,?" "We are supporting Allah's message with you, we believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims", said the disciples" (Sura 3:52 Noble Quran)

Islam-Submission to the Will of God, and Peace and Harmony with the laws of nature(under God). Islam is derived from the hebrew root shalom. Shalom means Peace. The Aramaic rendering Shalem translates to "Completion/Perfection" . Islam means all this and more. Islam is the only major religious ideology in the world that is not named after a person or place.
God says,
(Surah Aal'imraan 3:67 Noble Quran)"This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

The "Religion" of Islam revolves around 5 pillars. The first Pillar, The Shahada( The Witnessing)is the most important pillar.

{The Shahada} "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"
If you believe this statement you are in essence a Muslim!

Pillar 1 {Shahada/Witnessing}
Jesus Christ announced the Coming of Prophet Muhammad( Comforter/Paraclete. This is confirmed by the Aramaic Bible Society. For details here is a link
http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

{John 16:7-13 }
"But I tell you the truth, It is better for you that I should go away; for if I do not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I should go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will rebuke the world concerning sin, concerning righteousness, and concerning Judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; Concerning righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you will not see me again; Concerning judgment, because the leader of this world has been judged. Again, I have many other things to tell you, but you cannot grasp them now. But when the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak from himself, but what he hears, that he will speak: and he will make known to you things which are to come in the future. He will glorify me; because he will take of my own and show to you. Everything that my Father has is mine; this is the reason why I told you that he will take of my own and show to you."

"And when I saw him my soul filled with consolation, saying:"O Muhammad, God be with thee, and may he make me worthy to untie thy shoelatchet, for obtaining this I shall be a Great Prophet and Holy one of God".( Gospel of Barnabus)

(Noble QuranSurah LXI, Vs. 6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be "Ahmad". But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "This is evident sorcery!.”

Note: Ahmad is Muhammad's Celestial name. Both words mean "The Praised One".

Pillar 2 {Salat/Prayer}

Does the Muslim prayer seem strange to you? Well, this is the way all the Biblical Prophets Prayed!

(Matthew 26:39) And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.

(Numbers 20:6 )And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them. (Numbers 16:20-22 )And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, 21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. 22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt Thou be wroth with the all of the congregation?

(Genesis 17:3) And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Psalm 95:6)"O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.", (Joshua 18:42)"And Joshua fell on his face to the Earth, and did worship...",

And be steadfast in prayer;
Practice regular charity;
And bow down your heads
With those who bow down.
Holy Qur'an 2:45

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aca...ible_prayer.htm

Muslims pray five times a day. This number is not exclusive to Islam. In fact Sabeans/Mandeans (religion of St. John the Baptist) and Zoroastrians/(Magian of Quran) also prayed 5 times a day.

In fact Jews prayed the same way as Muslims not too long ago. Heres a link...
http://www.jewsforallah.org/

Pillar 3 { Fasting}

Jesus Christ fasted 40 days a year. Muslims fast 30 days during the month of Ramadan. There are many Muslims who also prefer to fast the extra 10 days.

Jesus spoke in terms of "when" we fast, not "if" we fast (Matthew 6:2,5,16). Jesus also said that after his death, his followers would fast (Matthew 9:15). Prophets and teachers fasted in Antioch (Acts 13:2)

Pillar 4 {Zakat/Charity}

Jesus Christ devoted his whole life to charity. He healed the blind and the lepers. His whole life was all about giving.

"(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to
observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live." ( Noble Quran 19:31)

Pillar 5{ Hajj/Pilgrimage}

Jesus Christ will perform pilgrimage after defeating the AntiChrist on his 2nd Coming

www.jesuswillreturn.com/

Jesus Christ has many titles in the Quran. He is called Messiah(Masih), Son of Mary, Spirit of God, Word of God, Aya (Sign).

River

About Virgin Mary

The Virgin Mary was a pious Muslim women who wore the hijab( the veil). The hijab is a symbol of Purity, Chastity and LIBERATION. Although it is not mandatory, it is the preferred exalted mode of life. Many modern feminists are also adopting the hijab. The hijab serves a protective function. It prevents objectification of the women's body. The hijab allows women to have full control over her body. It emphasizes one's inner beauty and worth.

BEHOLD! THE ANGELS SAID: "O MARY! GOD HATH CHOSEN THEE AND PURIFIED THEE- CHOSEN THEE ABOVE THE WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS." HOLY QURAN 3:42

"Chosen thee above the women of all nations." Such an honor is not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible! The verse continue:

"O MARY! WORSHIP THY LORD DEVOUTLY: PROSTRATE THYSELF, AND BOW DOWN (IN PRAYER) WITH THOSE WHO BOW DOWN." HOLY QURAN 3:43

Mother Mary is mentioned more times in the Koran than in the New Testament.
In Islam Eve is not directly blamed . In fact the Koran states that Adam and Hawaa (Eve) were punished equally, forgiven equally and then raised together to an exalted position in the eyes of God. Pregnancy and Childbirth is a blessing in Islam( not a burden). One of God's titles is Rahman ( " The womb") . This indicates that He also has Motherly qualities. Islam is the first "religion" to give women full inheritance rights, the right to initiate divorce and also to keep her last name. Islam also allows women to participate actively in politics. The Prophet's wife Khadija was also his bussiness partner. Unfortunately today's Muslim countries are only nominally Islamic. They don't follow the true spirit of Islam

River

So then, Who killed Jesus?



And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, ‘Isa son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 157-158 Quran)

According to Gospel of Barnabus, Judas' face was transfigured into the likeness of Jesus as a punishment for betraying Jesus. Jesus ascended to heaven. Jesus' mission was interrupted and God saved him from the Cross.

Most Muslims are in agreement with the early Christian Gnostics who wrote the Gospel of Barnabus and Gospel of Thomas.

" Judas truly did nothing else but cry out " God , why hast thou forsaken me, seeing the malefactor hath escaped and I die unjustly?" ( Gospel of Barnabus)

also,

"Jesus replied embracing his mother, " Believe me, mother for verily I say thee that I have not been dead at all: for God hath reserved me till near the end of the world" (Gospel of Barnabus)

"And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's law ( Gospel of Barnabus)



*There is some debate concerning the authenticity of G of Barnabus. However, most early Christians and Gnostics believe the Crucifiction was faked.

Bumble Bee Tuna

Uh, if that verse is true, then Jesus called his apostles "muslims", not "Muslims".
muslim- one who submits to the will of God
Muslim- one who follows the religion of Islam

Islam did not exist when Jesus allegedly did, this is a shady attempt to make it seem like the Bible endorses Islam which it does not. Just like the NT pretends to be endorsed and prophecized by the OT, the Koran pretends to be endorses and prophecized by the NT. The truth is the three books were all made up and the later two just used the former books as bases from which they could alter things.

-B

River

You are defining Islam based on your preconceived notions of what you want Islam to be. Islam existed long before Muhammad. The Quran does not pretend to be anything...perhaps if you gave up your defensive "let me critique all religions" outlook you will give up your Prejudiced/ shady view of the world. The truth is that the Truth is embedded in all religions. You can sit on your sofa with a bag of potato chips and be a wise ass know it all....but does this really mean you have what it takes...

P.S theoretical islam existed before Adam.....Practical Islam originated with the first Hanafi, the Prophet Abraham and his " Millat Ibrahim".

Bumble Bee Tuna

Your argument is like me calling my keyboard "Allah" and then saying you worship my keyboard because you worship Allah.

Forgive me if I'm not impressed.

-B

River

Can you prove that Jesus did not worship Allah?

Ya, I thought so.

Mageth

Mods et al: there seems to have been at least three identical or nearly versions of this thread posted in different forums; there's now two here and one in BC&A.

River

-Magus55

Mods...it appears that Magus55 has resurfaced under a different screen name.

Mageth

And what screen name would that be?

(If you're referring to me, I ain't Magus, and predate his presence here by a couple of years and a few thousand posts).

It's bad form to post the same thread on multiple fora.