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Hedwig · 04-07-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Because atheists are such friendly people? Go to a Christian fellowship board, and then come here - its like night and day in attitude, and caring. Much less insults, less sarcasm, less obnoxious remarks and self-centered attitudes.

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Magus55 · 04-07-2003, 03:06 PM

From the Catechism on Mary's assumption:

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.50

Mary was not free from sin, only Jesus was, Mary was not assumed into Heaven, Mary was not exalted as Queen over all things, Mary was not a virgin ( she had other children besides Jesus), and Her prayers don't save our souls from anything! Jesus Does!

But anyone, this is a waste of time on this board, since apparently none of you know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine - and as you pointed out Mageth, you don't have a clue about this "take it up with Catholics".

Magus55 · 04-07-2003, 03:08 PM

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First of all, I'm not in a Christian denomination, I'm a Messianic Jew, second of all - read the Bible and compare it to Catholic Doctrine and the Catechism - nothing about Mary, the Pope, interfaith or the Catholic Church is in there.

Again, why are you arguing this with us? Go take it up with the Roman Catholics somewhere.

Because you and mike claimed I had no clue about the heresy in the Catholic church, and you do. Iv'e debated with quite a few Catholics and they can't refute the statements other than saying, the Pope is infallible and the Bible isn't the main doctrine to follow.

Mageth · 04-07-2003, 03:09 PM

Mageth, the point is - Catholic debates happen daily on Rapture Ready by Former Catholics. Its debunked every time. The articles from the Vatican and Catechism that keep being brought up are completely unbiblical.

Magus, the point is - you're on an "infidel" board. Whether something is biblical or unbiblical is ultimately of little concern to us infidels. Even if the RC church sometimes relies on extrabiblical sources for their doctrines (and I'm still positive they back them all with scripture, though you obviously don't accept their arguments), to me that makes them no less (or more) of a "valid religion" than your particular brand. If god is real, how would I know that he does not also use "extrabiblical" means to guide/instruct his church?

Hedwig · 04-07-2003, 03:11 PM

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The Catholic church is the biggest disgrace to Christianity there is.

You have to be kidding!

Mageth · 04-07-2003, 03:13 PM

But anyone, this is a waste of time on this board, since apparently none of you know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine - and as you pointed out Mageth, you don't have a clue about this "take it up with Catholics".

OK, where did I say I "don't have a clue"? Or where did anyone indicate that they don't "know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine"? Those are unthreadical doctrines, there, Magus.

My point is, if you want to argue the biblicality of Catholic doctrines, argue it on a Catholic site. Or at least start a thread in BC&A.

Spaz · 04-07-2003, 03:14 PM

Magus, who are you to say whose interpretation of the bible is better or more correct?

And I'd have to agree with Hedwig there too, those people are seriously messed up

Magus55 · 04-07-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Spaz
Magus, who are you to say whose interpretation of the bible is better or more correct?

What interpretations? Catholic doctrine ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE.

Mageth · 04-07-2003, 03:21 PM

Because you and mike claimed I had no clue about the heresy in the Catholic church, and you do.

What we claimed is that the RC church can and does provide biblical support for its doctrines, which you claim they do not. A little serious research would illustrate to you that this is true.

Iv'e debated with quite a few Catholics and they can't refute the statements other than saying, the Pope is infallible and the Bible isn't the main doctrine to follow.

It sounds like you've run into some poor debaters. That happens around here quite often. Maybe you should try some harder prey.

You could start at http://www.cin.org/ or http://www.catholicism.org/ or http://www.newadvent.org/.

Mageth · 04-07-2003, 03:23 PM

Catholic doctrine ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE.

All RC doctrine is based on the Bible. Ask a good RC apologist. Go for a serious, polite talk with a local priest.

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04-07-2003, 03:06 PM	#142
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	From the Catechism on Mary's assumption: 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.50 Mary was not free from sin, only Jesus was, Mary was not assumed into Heaven, Mary was not exalted as Queen over all things, Mary was not a virgin ( she had other children besides Jesus), and Her prayers don't save our souls from anything! Jesus Does! But anyone, this is a waste of time on this board, since apparently none of you know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine - and as you pointed out Mageth, you don't have a clue about this "take it up with Catholics".

04-07-2003, 03:09 PM	#144
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Mageth, the point is - Catholic debates happen daily on Rapture Ready by Former Catholics. Its debunked every time. The articles from the Vatican and Catechism that keep being brought up are completely unbiblical. Magus, the point is - you're on an "infidel" board. Whether something is biblical or unbiblical is ultimately of little concern to us infidels. Even if the RC church sometimes relies on extrabiblical sources for their doctrines (and I'm still positive they back them all with scripture, though you obviously don't accept their arguments), to me that makes them no less (or more) of a "valid religion" than your particular brand. If god is real, how would I know that he does not also use "extrabiblical" means to guide/instruct his church?

04-07-2003, 03:13 PM	#146
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	But anyone, this is a waste of time on this board, since apparently none of you know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine - and as you pointed out Mageth, you don't have a clue about this "take it up with Catholics". OK, where did I say I "don't have a clue"? Or where did anyone indicate that they don't "know the difference between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine"? Those are unthreadical doctrines, there, Magus. My point is, if you want to argue the biblicality of Catholic doctrines, argue it on a Catholic site. Or at least start a thread in BC&A.

04-07-2003, 03:14 PM	#147
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Magus, who are you to say whose *interpretation* of the bible is better or more correct? And I'd have to agree with Hedwig there too, those people are seriously messed up

04-07-2003, 03:21 PM	#149
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Because you and mike claimed I had no clue about the heresy in the Catholic church, and you do. What we claimed is that the RC church can and does provide biblical support for its doctrines, which you claim they do not. A little serious research would illustrate to you that this is true. Iv'e debated with quite a few Catholics and they can't refute the statements other than saying, the Pope is infallible and the Bible isn't the main doctrine to follow. It sounds like you've run into some poor debaters. That happens around here quite often. Maybe you should try some harder prey. You could start at http://www.cin.org/ or http://www.catholicism.org/ or http://www.newadvent.org/.

04-07-2003, 03:23 PM	#150
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Catholic doctrine ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE. All RC doctrine is based on the Bible. Ask a good RC apologist. Go for a serious, polite talk with a local priest.

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