HelenM

But how are we to know who is right, out of those people who claim that the Bible is written in 'code' that only the initiated can decipher? What makes your 'secret' meaning more true and/or reliable than anyone else who claims to have deciphered the 'true hidden meaning' of the Bible?

And what protection have you against simply allegorizing passages of the Bible (or any other text) until it has a meaning that fits in with what you already held to be true?

Helen

philechat

The same way one interpret any poetry or literature. It's not about, say, "truth" per se, but about the possible intentions of the poets, and their modes of expression, etc. I, however, do not believe the "truths" of religious texts to be more transcendent than many secular arts. It's the expression of the authors (or a culture), rather than gods, that interests me the most.

Amos

Helen, I think deciphered is the wrong choice of words and unless the words fit into what you already know to be true they will have little or no meaning. The bible must be prior to us by nature before it can and will make sense.

lunachick

Yep. Ditto.

This is where I'm coming from. A fascination from an arts and culture point-of-view.

And besides, I love truth, lies and magick.

beyelzu

nightwatchman,

Do you believe that there is a god?

A god who is giving us this "wisdom" in the form of writing from "sheep hearders" who knew less about the world than science does now?


And if so,

is this god still active in the world today?


If not how did these sheephearders gain such wisdom?
Particularly when you consider that they thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe.

Furthermore, you say that the bible came from pagans, but the old testament is clearly meant for Jews and the NT was probably written by Jews.


So where do these pagans fit into the picture?

beyelzu

Also, Nightwatchman, you really should strike up a conversation with Amos, I think you might have a good bit in common. He also seems to argue a heavily symbolic reading of the bible with all sorts of psychological aspects.

NightWatchman

First of all, if you look at the bibles definition of a jew, it says

"a jew is one inwardly" it means one who meditates and goes within. Its not a race of people.

concerning the existance of a god, consider that the word god is a man made word, and mans trying to understand the forces greater than himself.

If you think you stand alone, if you think you brought yourself into the world, and if all the galaxies nebulas, planets and such came into existance by themselves thats ok, because science says that we come from the stars, and the egyptiqans said we return to the stars when we die. You can read this in scientific american, and nasas web site, that all the necessary seeds for life came to the earth from star stuff, even dna comes from a star called eta carinae, check nasas god-dard space flight center, and the project director for eta is the son of david, because his name is chris davidson.


If you consider that the bible says, look not lo here nor lo there, for the kingdom of god is within you. and that in him you live, move and have your being. Theres only one thing you live in every moment and thats electromagnetsim or photons, which are angles of light which are messenger particles, see quantum mechanics, john grivens, michio kaku etc.

The bible says god is not a man, but god is light.

if light is photons, and photons are messenger particles, and they come to the earth at an angle, we now have the biblical version of anglels which were messengers, all this given to us pagan sheephearders. And dna coming from eta carinae which is the keel of the ship which gave instructions to the ship argo in jason and the argonauts, eta carinae is part of the constellation argo navis. jason found the golden fleece (dna) touched it and was healed.


So the god of religion doesnt exist, but a greater power call it chi, universal life force, nature, sustains life, and we recieve messages from photons. so where is god, he is as the bible said all around you in the form of photons. its all science its all true, and it comes from goddard space flight center which is nasa, and dard means indio european languge, or language, so goddard means language of god, which is science.

this is being rebealed to you because the bible says, when you see the man with the picture of water follow him into the house. the house is the zodiac sign of aquarius.








nightwatchman

NightWatchman

beyelzu

ive been reading these posts for a year or so, i cannot for the life of me understand what amos is talking about.
Sorry

But im telling you exactly what the bible is saying, nothing else, everything i say will be backed up by the bible itself, or from science.

nightwatchman