lunachick

I've read the occasional account of Jesus marrying Mary Magdalene and producing 2 (3?) children with her. Who knows anything about this theory? And if he did not marry her and start a family, was he at least her lover?

Personally, I would have thought so. I find it unbelievable that he would've been a virgin - he was (according to anything I've ever heard about the guy) a passionate man. There's no way I can believe he died at 33 years old still a virgin.

Was Mary M his lover or wife?
Anyone know anything about this?

Amos

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Lunachick, you'd are my kind of girl if you think that a man passionate man should not go without. In fact, I think you'd make a good Catholic.

The facts are altogether different and someone here will inform you about it.

lunachick

LOL! Well, er, thanks....

Ronin

The hebrew requirement for a rabbi/teacher is that they must be married to have any standing. Granted it can be argued that Christ could change ~ I mean fulfill ~ any law he wanted, so this is not a completely reliable assertion.

Still, in Mark ~

16:1
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Again, I point to Hebrew law which indicates that only women allowed to anoint a man are family members.

Most potent of all yet comes from the Apocryphal Gospel of Mary, discovered as both a part of the Coptic codex and, most recently at Nag Hammadi Akhmin codex which reveals ~

Mary ~

9:1
When Mary had said this, she fell silent, since it was to this point that the Savior had spoken with her.

9:2 But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas.

9:3 Peter answered and spoke concerning these same things.

9:4 He questioned them about the Savior: Did He really speak privately with a woman and not openly to us? Are we to turn about and all listen to her? Did He prefer her to us?

9:5 Then Mary wept and said to Peter, My brother Peter, what do you think? Do you think that I have thought this up myself in my heart, or that I am lying about the Savior?

9:6 Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.

9:7 Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.

9:8 But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.

9:9 That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.

9:10 And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach.

Of course, these writings weren't 'voted in' to the creed we all know today ~ so we have to defer to the mythmakers for authoritarian confirmation and 'true' meaning.

Personally, I'd prefer a shagging messiah, but that's just me.

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sighhswolf

There has been allegations/speculation that a scroll was found in a chapel in southern France that contained the information that in fact Jesus did not die on the cross, and was able to escape the middle east and move with Mary (his wife) to southern France.
The information was kept secret and protected by those with whom Jesus and Mary lived.
There was also speculation that the Grail legend
had nothing to do with the vessel that Jesus used at the last supper, but was in fact the knowledge
and documentation of the escape of Jesus and Mary
and where they lived out their natural lives and produced offspring who keep the lineage alive today.

The Knights Templar supposedly held this knowledge
as secret known only to those who dedicated their lives in an effort to have it remain undiscovered.

Pure speculation, but not totally beyond the realm of possibility.

Some psuedo scientists and researchers actually think that James the brother of Jesus was the actual person hung up to die, and that act by Jesus' brother allowed (with the help of Joseph), Jesus and Mary to flee the country eventually settling in southern France.

There are also those who believe the wedding story was in fact not someone elses wedding Jesus attended, but his own to Mary M.
Hey sounds like a crock....but it has been pointed out that in the non-canonical gospels Jesus was known to engage in public displays of affection with Mary even full on the mouth kisses.
Leading up to the story that Ronin related in his post.
A little greeneyed monster showing.
Everyone has an angle.......
Wolf

Gemma Therese

Wow, you honestly think it's next to impossible to live to 33 and (if you're passionate) still be a virgin?

There is such a thing as self control. Contrary to popular belief, people are not slaves to their sex drives.

Gemma Therese

Bree

Once again, Gemma Therese shows up in a sex thread .

Anyway, I too have to wonder about the "virginity" of Christ. There is no prophecy in the Old Testament that said Jesus had to be celibate. There is no requirement anywhere in the Bible, for that matter, that says Jesus had to be celibate. The only reason we think of him as such is because we were brought up to believe that sex is bad and celibacy is good.

Like Ronin said, rabbis had to be married so they could produce legitimate sons for Israel, who could in turn produce legitimate sons for Israel, and so on. This 'law' made sure that the blood lines would continue and that there would always be a Hebrew people. It would be very strange (or perhaps selfish?) if Jesus did not feel that it was necessary to contribute to Israel in this way.

He might have been the Son of God, but that doesn't mean he was Christian. Jesus was Jewish, after all.

Gemma Therese

Christ had no need for marriage. If he had a wife and children, why did he make not mention of them on the Cross, while he entrusted the care of his mother to an apostle? Widows were not treated with kindness in Jesus' day.

Gemma Therese

David M. Payne

And of course there is the strong possibility that the story of Chris, uh the story of Jesus was all a hoax, part of the biggest scam in history, as detailed in <a href="http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=236" target="_blank">The Story of Bob.</a> Perhaps Gemma Therese can set us all straight on it, if she's up to the task that is. My guess is she won't be able to handle this tale, it’s a little to close to home for her. So Gemma no slaves to the sex drive? How about slaves to an imaginary God, do they exist? Are you one of them? I'll take sex every time, at least it's real and the revelations you get from it are true rapture!

David

Undercurrent

&lt;Puts on half-assed theological speculation hat&gt;

I speculate that the virgin Mary and Mare Magdalene were, in fact, the same person. The relationship to Jesus (mother or wife) changed in different traditions and the modern version is a synthesis for more than one tradition (hence more than one Mary filling more than one role.)

&lt;Takes off half-assed theological speculation hat&gt;

Don't you think it would be wierd to have a lover with the same name as your mother? Even if I'm referring to someone completely different, there's no way I'm going to scream out my mom's name during sex.

m.