FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-24-2002, 09:51 PM   #161
Amos
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by NOGO:
<strong>

Show me where the concept of the soul as you know it today can be found in the Bible.
</strong>

The entire gospels are about the transformation of life from soul to no-soul. This is where Jesus becomes acquinted with his own soul in preparation for resurrection.
Quote:
<strong>

Explain why Jesus resurrected bodily and not spiritually?
</strong>

Because Jesus never died physically. His ego died and he was set free under the name Bar-abbas.
Quote:
<strong>

Explain why we will all resurrect bodily if the final purpose is a spiritual life.
</strong>

I do not hold that we will all resurrect bodily. Only those who complete the race will resurrect. I do not hold that a spiritual life is the end because in heaven the spirit is redundant wherefore the spirit descends on the chosen one.
Quote:
<strong>

The fact is that the NT writers had one kind of afterlife and that was here on earth and with our bodies. They knew nothing else.
</strong>

I agree and this same is true today.
Quote:
<strong>

"Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven."

So the Kingdom of God is on earth and in a bodily form since we are to resurrect back into our bodies to enter it.
</strong>

We never left our body but moved from our conscious to our subconscious mind.
Quote:
<strong>

Daniel 12:13
"But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."

So Daniel is to die and wait till the end of the world before he gets his due. Why wait dead until the end of the world?
</strong>

The end of the world is the end of his world. The rest period describes a period of doubt and after this grand inquisition the new life begins to the end of the age.
Quote:
<strong>

Because there is no such thing as a soul.</strong>
So the soul does not exist in heaven where it has become conscious knowledge.

[ December 24, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>
 
Old 12-25-2002, 12:51 PM   #162
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 1,066
Post

I can't believe no one else here mentioned this one. I guess they didn't have editors back then to make sure the same damn paragraph didn't get rehashed with slight rewording.

Ezra 1:1-2
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

II Chronicles 36:22-23

Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.

Edited to change Corinthians to Chronicles.

[ December 25, 2002: Message edited by: slept2long ]</p>
slept2long is offline  
Old 12-25-2002, 01:16 PM   #163
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,562
Post

The reference should be Chronicles and not Corinthians.

Chronicles often repeats material which is found elsewhere. What is your point?
NOGO is offline  
Old 12-25-2002, 01:26 PM   #164
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,562
Post

Quote:
The entire gospels are about the transformation of life from soul to no-soul. This is where Jesus becomes acquinted with his own soul in preparation for resurrection.
The whole NT is about the Kingdom of God which would start when the end of the world would come. It was suppose to come within the then generation and it didn't.


Quote:
NOGO:
The fact is that the NT writers had one kind of afterlife and that was here on earth and with our bodies. They knew nothing else.

Amos:
I agree and this same is true today.
Not for Catholics and most Protestants.
NOGO is offline  
Old 12-25-2002, 02:36 PM   #165
Amos
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by NOGO:
<strong>
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The entire gospels are about the transformation of life from soul to no-soul. This is where Jesus becomes acquinted with his own soul in preparation for resurrection.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The whole NT is about the Kingdom of God which would start when the end of the world would come. It was suppose to come within the then generation and it didn't.
</strong>

Yes but the Gospels is where the transformation fom soul to no-soul takes place. The end of the world is the birth of Christ, the transformation
is in the Gospels (the take place in purgatory), and the New World is Revelation.
Quote:
<strong>
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NOGO:
The fact is that the NT writers had one kind of afterlife and that was here on earth and with our bodies. They knew nothing else.
Amos:
I agree and this same is true today.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Not for Catholics and most Protestants.

</strong>
But it is contained in the mystery of Catholicism.
 
Old 12-25-2002, 03:58 PM   #166
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 1,066
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by NOGO:
<strong>The reference should be Chronicles and not Corinthians.

Chronicles often repeats material which is found elsewhere. What is your point?</strong>

OOPS! My bad. Any examples you could provide? My point is that is my favourite biblical difficulty. Having the same passage nearly verbatim in two different chapters is just stupid and a thouroughly "human" error.
slept2long is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:41 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.