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Primal · 02-07-2003, 02:56 PM

What is yours?

99Percent · 02-07-2003, 03:59 PM

Truth is relative in the absolute sense. But in the human sense, in our realm of perception and understanding of it, its absolute.

Ab_Normal · 02-07-2003, 04:42 PM

You left off "confused" (where's that head-scratching smilie?)

philechat · 02-07-2003, 04:47 PM

Midway between relativist and provisional-objectivist. Or "Truth is Beauty".

Psycho Economist · 02-07-2003, 04:58 PM

I'm generally an empirically-minded subjectivist (certainly subjective w.r.t. ethics), myself.

Thieving Magpie · 02-07-2003, 04:59 PM

Truth is absolute, I believe.

As to whether people can recognize it, however, is a matter I am not so sure of.

Samhain · 02-08-2003, 12:33 AM

Perhaps you might want to establish the criterion for truth and pose a discussion regarding if truth can even be known or not first?

jj · 02-09-2003, 02:29 PM

TrVtH is absolute.

We can't ever be sure we know any, though.

thefugitivesaint · 02-09-2003, 03:32 PM

What aspect of "truth" are we discussing? What kind of "truth?"

The word is as contested as any word regarding its meaning.

Truth can mean what one perceives or it can represent a fact established with no reason for doubt like the rising of the sun or the force of gravity.

I am not trying to be factituous here. I understand what your getting at.

For me, Truth is what is it regardless of our perceptions on the matter at hand. Evolution is a biological 'truth' that one wold be hard pressed to deny. When it comes to less clear cut empirical details like the realm of ethics and the like i am a subjectivist that agress that certain commonalities can be referenced across cultural and historical lines. So, i can agree on certain "objective" standards of truth on a provisional basis.

Does this make any sense?
-theSaint

John Page · 02-09-2003, 04:51 PM

Relativist.... all things, whether of physical or mental reality are relative to each other. If not, how could be know them?

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02-07-2003, 02:56 PM	#1
Primal Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Marcos Posts: 551	Basic Epistemology-relativist,absolutist or objectivist? What is yours?

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John Page Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: US Posts: 5,495	Greetings, relatives.... Relativist.... all things, whether of physical or mental reality are relative to each other. If not, how could be know them?

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02-07-2003, 03:59 PM	#2
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	Truth is relative in the absolute sense. But in the human sense, in our realm of perception and understanding of it, its absolute.

02-07-2003, 04:42 PM	#3
Ab_Normal Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,842	You left off "confused" (where's that head-scratching smilie?)

02-07-2003, 04:47 PM	#4
philechat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mind of the Other Posts: 886	Midway between relativist and provisional-objectivist. Or "Truth is Beauty".

02-07-2003, 04:58 PM	#5
Psycho Economist Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 854	I'm generally an empirically-minded subjectivist (certainly subjective w.r.t. ethics), myself.

02-07-2003, 04:59 PM	#6
Thieving Magpie Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 253	Truth is absolute, I believe. As to whether people can recognize it, however, is a matter I am not so sure of.

02-08-2003, 12:33 AM	#7
Samhain Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,735	Perhaps you might want to establish the criterion for truth and pose a discussion regarding if truth can even be known or not first?

02-09-2003, 02:29 PM	#8
jj Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redmond, Wa Posts: 937	TrVtH is absolute. We can't ever be sure we know any, though.

02-09-2003, 03:32 PM	#9
thefugitivesaint Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: philadelphia, PA. USA. Posts: 682	What aspect of "truth" are we discussing? What kind of "truth?" The word is as contested as any word regarding its meaning. Truth can mean what one perceives or it can represent a fact established with no reason for doubt like the rising of the sun or the force of gravity. I am not trying to be factituous here. I understand what your getting at. For me, Truth is what is it regardless of our perceptions on the matter at hand. Evolution is a biological 'truth' that one wold be hard pressed to deny. When it comes to less clear cut empirical details like the realm of ethics and the like i am a subjectivist that agress that certain commonalities can be referenced across cultural and historical lines. So, i can agree on certain "objective" standards of truth on a provisional basis. Does this make any sense? -theSaint

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