Corgan Sow

O.K. No flames. I just need help for more stoopid quotes:


another:

He is actually using this quote to a strategy "If you blame God, He exists after all! Fake atheists!!!"


"Why would your God make Third World countries continue to be poor and elsewhere, in normal countries, allowing even a girl to be raped by 10 men? Or a woman hanged for crimes she didn't commit?" from me.

His answer?

"Countless injustices around the world and where is God? HAH! Your God is so benevolent and omnipotent. Stop amusing me with your stories of crackpot God."

Oh stop the shit. Freethinkers like Florence Nightingale, Abraham Lincoln, all of them also contributed to the needs of Mankind. You do not have facts about "useless" atheists and now go yapping about now. YOU USE FACTS? What a joke!"


"Does your GOD need more money than those poor people do, fool?" in response to religious temples deserves more funds than "useless poor" who drains away earth's natural resources.

"Atheists are also humanists; they believe they have a duty to protect their precious earth. They believe in purpose of equal human rights, freedom of speech, freedom from organized opression, not to mention again...educating people who importance of treasuring life and upholding morality as DIGNITY of being human."

"Also, you started also this whole "atheists are useless" crap. You want me to refute you while continue spreading lies about my belief?!"


another one boasts religion...yet...


And I know this last one is a bloody cliche, but I've forgotten...(and he's a hindu, not a hell-damning Christian)

Eudaimonist

Why are you debating this guy? At the very least, you won't be able to prove to him that atheists can be moral, since he is so morally stunted himself. My advice is to ignore him.

Bible Humper

Here's a couple ideas to consider when you answer this rather rabid sounding dude.

The main point I see in the first three quotes is found more succinctly expressed in the third.

My strategy here would be to first challenge the question "why is God supposed to fix the problems of men?" considering this is an omnipotent entity which supposedly loves us and would do all it could to help.

Here you'll almost certainly get his trained response, the free-will defense to the problem of evil. I actually have a thread dedicated to this exact topic <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000641" target="_blank">over here</a> which has some ideas which the theists here have yet to tackle.

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

Freethinker \Free"think`er\, n.
One who speculates or forms opinions independently of the
authority of others; esp., in the sphere or religion, one who
forms opinions independently of the authority of revelation
or of the church; an unbeliever; -- a term assumed by deists
and skeptics in the eighteenth century.

Atheist is an old-fashioned word: I'm a freethinker,
child. --Addison.

Syn: Infidel; skeptic; unbeliever.

Hmmmm.......

Right on, Mr. Theist, I agree with ya! Charity money is put to it's best use when it is utilized to bring about conditions that make it possible for the poor to support themselves such as irrigation projects. Now that we have that figured out, we'll unite the churches behind the desire to deliver the poor from their condition. First we'll start by auctioning off the Pope's crown, that'll feed enough starving children that in the meantime.....pardon? You won't sell it off even though the Lord admonished us to care for the poor? It does more Good on Karol's head than saving the starving? Oh, ok.

First of all, Lennon didn't die of a drug overdose.

Secondly, some atheists are nihilists but not all.

Thirdly, I don't consider observance of taboos to be objective morality. The fact that what he considers moral is whatever the deity decides to call moral shows how subjective it is. Note how certain things considered moral in the OT days have supposedly changed thanks to Jesus sacrificing himself to himself in order to bribe himself to change his own mind about the fate he decreed for his creations.

Hehe, you should show him atheist testimonials and point out the common feeling of freedom and relief experienced when it is realized that the deity isn't real. There is a thread on this board with many examples.

Ancient Mayan organ transplants? I would love to hear about this one! Perhaps the alien visitors who showed the Egyptians how to build the pyramids showed them how to do organ transplants?

The whole idea of "religious medicine" is ridiculous, acupuncture works just as well and in the same manner as Benny Hinn's powers work. P-L-A-C-E-B-O.

Ahh yes, the deity so loved the world that he decreed that if you fail to believe in him you would roast in hellfire for eternity. The deity gave us the ability to believe or not, but he realised that if he made it obvious that he exists that everyone would kiss his ass and there would be nobody to toss into hell. But he couldn't have that, this game was going to be even more fun than the one he played with the devil regarding the faith of Job! So he obscured all evidence of himself, and allowed other religions to flourish so that unbiased observers would likely dismiss him as just another fairy tale among others. This is fine in the deity's view, though, because he mostly considers only those who were raised by christians to be worthy of redemption as seen by the way he seems to only "reveal" himself to those who are taught from birth that he exists. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Of well, that was a bit rambling but maybe there are one or two ideas worth using.

Corgan Sow

I know some atheists here are asking why am I wasting time arguing with a doo-doo theist like him. I'm not seeking solutions here, rather refreshing myself with more thoughts from all of yah.

Thanks a lot Bible Humper, for your time. I know these points here have been countlessly brought up and refuted loads of times. BTW, he ain't a Christian though...

Bane

Actually, Lennon was a deist. You might want to mention to this kook that a Christian shot him. Probably had something to do with Lennon's "We are bigger than Christ" comments in the 60s.

He was a big Beatles fan and felt betrayed when Lennon made those comments. The song "Imagine" probably put him futher over the edge.

He had been clean for quite a while when this tool shot him.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

"Why is God supposed to fix the problems of men?"

He sent Jesus, didn't he? In order to be consistent, he would therefore have to continually fix grievous problems of man. I think thousands upon thousands of children starving, fighting each other over ideologies, etc. count as far more grievous than, say, telling your parents, in a moment of anger, than you hate them. Well, he fixed the later, why not the former?