DesertRoseGypsy

I noticed in studying Sumerian source based upon Zecharia Sitchin's book "Divine Encounters". I find that human evolution seems to fit into Sumerian records much better than the traditional Hebrew. Based upon Sumer dealing with "The" adam and "the" eve, there is a discrepancy utilizing Hebrew numbering system compared to the Sumerian. It obviously falls into the Shar (Sar) which reflects 3600 earth years. Unfortunately, in sumerian records 1 and 60 are the same depending upon placement. Hebrews took 1 for 60. There is a discrepancy which deals with a common factor of 72 which brings into the fact of precession. Most don't realize that "the" was dropped when reflecting on Adam as if it was a birthname. I feel it was a name for a species. In sumer it was always recorded "the" adam, "the" eve. In using Sumer's record, the adam was born 112,360 years ago when Neanderthal was passing through the Holy Land. Hebrew's Enosh would have been born 98,260 years ago when cro-magnon appeared. There was indication that the early homonids were capable of breeding but the offspring were "mixed ones" that couldn't procreate. Similar obviously to a horse and ass creating a mule. I noticed there are 2 principal figures dealing with Enki (Yahweh) who preferred shepherding and Enlil who preferred agricultural aspects. Both were Trees of Knowledge (physical advanced skills) and both were Trees of Life (Immortality). However, I wonder if there were "pigmies" that may have referred to the "Lilith" stories such as one in Inanna's tree that stunted her growth. May have been a way that they tried to reflect a certain species that had stunted growth compared to the others found in the region. I realize dealing with the "Anannuki" (Nephilim) they were much more advanced and perhaps there is a good crossreference too that would link the "eye of horus" and the Hopi prophecy of their "blue star". Sumerians indicated too that there was another planet and more explanation dealing with the asteroid belt. I guess Jupiter had neighbor that orbits our Earth possibly every 3600 years. That is elliptical and moves clockwise rather than counterclockwise reflecting from the outer planets in towards the sun. Obviously, dealing with Pluto...and the laws of physics, it influenced it's orbit. Since it was recorded to be a "mini" sun similar to the size of neptune with 7 moons. I noticed there has been so much astronomical discoveries but still no Planet "X". The Nephilim were immortal and had wonderful skills and certainly helped mankind along the way, which even reflects genetic aspects to help them breed. But dealing with sin and expulsion from Garden, even dealing with that story is a puzzlement following Hebrew aspects. There were the 7 cities of the E.Din and Enki (Yahweh) had a garden where I believe the "Mixed" ones were taught to taking care of. There was indication that Enki became annoyed at Enlil when he finally managed to get them to reproduce which I believe deals with genetics and the assistance of Ninmah (where Mammi comes from, origin of Mother). I guess Enki didn't want to be taking care of that many children. Not that it really reflected that they sinned, just indicating that those from the garden were taken back to Africa to fend for themselves (above the abzu). Obviously, there was a lot of interaction over long periods of time when skills were taught which helped mankind advance. Wonders where we would be now without their intervention.

Bill

Even in the time of Jesus, the Hebrew word for "Adam" merely meant "man." Thus, where it is written in the New Testament that Jesus was a descendant of "Adam," all that claims is that he is the Son of Man. This meaning got totally lost when translated into the Greek by the early Christians.

Thus, I don't think that it is so much a problem of the early Hebrew losing the true meanings of the Sumerian language, but the early Christians losing the interpretations of Hebrew that went along with their chosen God-man.

I will move this to BC&A for further discussions.

== Bill

Vorkosigan

Unfortunately, DRG, there is no evidence for the scenario you've outlined above. Sitchin is a nut. Dornenburg has an excellent site on him. See:

<a href="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/FDoernenburg/mainpyr.htm" target="_blank">http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/FDoernenburg/mainpyr.htm</a>

and of course, Doug Weller's Cult Archaeology Site

<a href="http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk/</a>

Michael

Asha'man

Paragraphs! My kingdom for a coherent paragraph!

This sentence no verb!


While I could not follow the rambling stream of text in the original post, I did notice a few sentences that may have referred to another planet in our solar system. I will state that there is absolutely no evidence for an undiscovered planet in our system. The locations of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto were predicted from their gravitational effects on other planets. However, there are no remaining orbital inconsistencies that need explaining. Additionally, I would hardly describe Neptune as a “mini” sun, since things that have 10 times the mass of Jupiter are still referred to as planets, and have no chance of starting nuclear fusion.

As for the asteroid belt, the Sumerians could have had no knowledge of it. The brightest objects in the asteroid belt are far too dim to be seen with the naked eye (Ceres comes in at magnitude 7.8).

Ahh, crackpot science at its best!

emotional

It still does, Bill!

lpetrich

Just to set the record straight:

Uranus was discovered by William Herschel in 1781, who was scanning the sky with his telescope, and who noticed some extended-looking object. He first thought that it was a comet, but it turned out to be a planet beyond Saturn.

Neptune was discovered in the mid-19th-cy.; its position had been predicted from unaccounted-for perturbations in Uranus's motion.

The same technique was used on similar discrepancies in Neptune's motion, and it led to the discovery of Pluto, though Pluto was too small to produce those effects. However, in recent decades, spacecraft have been send to all the outer planets but Pluto, and tracking them has yielded improved values of their masses. Re-analyzing these planets' motion with the improved masses has made these discrepancies disappear. Here's <a href="http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/billa/tnp/hypo.html#planetx" target="_blank">a summary of trans-Neptunian planet searches</a>.

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Marduk

If you are going to read Sitchin I recommend keeping at hand copies of the entire Sumerian or Babylonian story to which he is referring, he has a way of taking them out of context and pasting them into another story entirely. Amazon has plenty of the original translations available; Noah Kramer’s “Myths of Sumer” “The Decent of Inanna into the Netherworld” “Inanna” and Stephany Dalley’s “Myths of Mesopotamia”
<a href="http://www.ianlawton.com/mesindex.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ianlawton.com/mesindex.htm</a> This is the best from the Doug Weller site, the Hafernik one is also very good for dealing with the astronomy.
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/hafernik.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/hafernik.html</a>
The Dornenburg one I wasn’t to impressed with for some of the topics, but he does do a fine job on blowing away Sitchin's claim that Cheops name was forged in the Great Pyramid.
The similarities between Hebrew and Babylonian Myth can be found in Smiths “The Chaldean Genesis” discussed in the Lawton site.

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