Biff the unclean

The percent of those who are both violent criminals and Christian? Well you have worded that very vaguely haven't you? I'm assuming that you have done so purposely so that you can cry foul when you don't get the answer you want. Because the OP isn't about the number of Christians who are violent criminals it's about the number of violent criminals who are Christians. And that would be most of them.

David M. Payne

David

Ronin

Whether it is 'Old' or 'New' it is still representative of the immorality of the Abrahamic deity.

Jesus in the NT introduces the heinous notion of everlasting fire as punishment for 'unbelievers', further underscoring the real brutality of the christian dogma and the underlying unethical nature of its practicing adherents...despite any mystical sugar coating by the more liberal minded members.

The United States is the most religious of all the industrialized nations.

Forty-four percent of Americans attend church once a week, compared with 27 percent in Britain, 21 percent in France, 16 percent in Australia, and 4 percent in Sweden.

Yet violent crime is not less common in the United States...it is pointedly more common. The murder rate here is six times higher than the rate in Britain, seven times higher than in France, five times higher than in Australia, and five times higher than in Sweden.

In the region where I live and work...Louisiana has the highest churchgoing rate in the country, but its murder rate is more than twice the national average. Having 12.5 Murders per 100,000 people in 2002, Louisiana holds the number one spot for murder.

Mississippi is steeped in Southern Baptists and the 'churched', yet in the year 2000 Mississippi had 9.0 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 2nd highest rate for Murder. Poverty, child abuse and violent youth offenders are also rampant in this state...despite the 'prayerful'.

And...while atheists/non-believers make up 8-16% of the US population, less than 1% make up the prison population.

A reflection on these facts is required by all of the supernaturalists.

Then there should be a deeper review of known humanistic ideals in order to promote a more civilized, compassionate and tolerant society.

missus_gumby

Ronin, I would dispute your figure for church attendance in the UK.

Recent figures published by the Chruch of England show that only about 800,000 attend church regularly. (And the figure is dropping exponentially, week by week.) If we multiply that by say, 10 to include the other christian sects (to give them a fair shake - I doubt if it reaches a factor of 3) we only have around 8,000,000 out of a population of somewhere between 60 and 70 million wasting their Sunday mornings. That's hardly 27% is it?

I seem to remember seeing a figure of somewhere near 8% of the population over here with regard to regular church attendance across all denominations. But for the life of me, I can't remember where - however, I'm sure it was from an online religious source in the UK within the last two years.

And let's face it, the figures quoted by the various churches are hardly likely to show themselves in the worst light are they?

The real churches in the UK are now the triune edifices of St Asda, Holy Sainsbury's and the Good News Church of Tesco. And let us not forget the Holy Trinity of B&Q the Lord, Do It All the Son, and Focus Homecare the Holy Ghost. They have tens of millions in their congregations each and every Sunday. A quick peek at their respective car parks provides ample proof. Praise the Lord and pass the Buy One Get One Free coffee yoghurt multipacks, and half-price Calor Gas free-standing Bar-B-Q's (with double safety valve)!

Martin

HelenM

If I'm right, way less people proportionately go to church on Sundays in the UK than the US but it is in the UK where trading laws limit the above purveyors of comestibles to a maximum of six hours opening time on Sundays.

If I'm right, the concept of 'sanctity of Sundays' seems alive and well in England, although it's hard to see that it has much to do with religious beliefs there these days.

Helen

missus_gumby

I know it's derailing the thread, but...

Only the large hyper/supermarket type of concern. For example, the local small shop near where I live is open for 14 hours on a Sunday - just like every other day of the week.

Some large supermarkets are actually open for more than 6 hours on Sunday - they open their doors for browsing and the filling of trolleys for an hour or two before the checkouts open.

Helen is quite right about the concept of 'sanctity of Sundays'. However, nowadays I must assume that most people over here regard the Sunday trading laws in the same light as the old fashioned licensing hours in pubs - an anachronistic touching of the cap to Victorian piety and the need for continued wartime industrial output. Both of which are being slowly eroded -- despite outdated and unwarranted laws.

Martin

sweep

so, 99% of the prison population have religious beliefs? that would be striking! what kinds of violent crime are you referring to with the christian populations? specifically I'm interested in M.O. dynamics. In other words I would like to know how these crimes were committed and if any of the crimes incorporated religious belief. For instance, Geoffrey Dahmer, was said to have eaten his victims in a similar way to what christian folk might call 'eating the body of christ'. I shall have to brush up on my research.

Ronin, the second and third sentences didn't make much sense to me. perhaps you would flesh it out so I have a better idea of what you're on about?

cheers

aatayyab

I did not see any such wordings anywhere in Quran and found it horrible if stated by Bible. I doubt it since no religion can preach such thing. However, since, as a Muslim, my belief is that the REAL bible has been corrupted by corrupt so-called christians. In Quran, it gives a lot of respect to REAL and TRUE christians, jews, or anyones who are belonging to books of God. But such brutal words can never belong to "God" or "Allah". I strongly disagree with the INSTRUCTIONS given in this poem. Christianity is good, Christians are good, but unfortunately such corrupt text of so-called Bible is not. The real Bible exists no more.

Amir Ali Tayyab
http://aatayyab.com

lunachick

Excellent news!!

Now if only all the others would follow...

LordSnooty

I would like to add that the only people that visit church in the UK are the elderly, and those peculiar families that have small metal fishes attached to the rear ends of their motor vehicles.

People that go to Church in the UK are the objects of universal derision. And quite right too.

Paul