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Yellum Notnef · 04-30-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
This is a great topic.
It has always seemed strange to me that so many Xians have a self imposed ignorance about comparative religion. When you tell them that Christian stories were originally stories of Mithra and Dionysus they will insist that they aren't. Yet I have never met one who has read these mythologies. Further than that; I have never even been able to entice a Xian to read them even after I've made the claim that the Jesus stories are a match.

Have you met Metacrock? He claims to know all about these mythologies and insists that Christianity has very little or nothing at all to do with them.

He's in a room down the hall waiting to accuse you of poor scholarship and using biased sources.

Biff the unclean · 04-30-2003, 05:56 PM

I've yet to have the pleasure. But if there is any poor scholarship the fault is all mine. I've never read any of the so called Jesus myther books. All I've read are the actual mythologies without the aid of someone pointing out what the Christians stole. You don't need the guide books the steals are bald-faced. When Dionysus starts his ministery by going to a wedding and turning the sacred spring that the wedding was held at into wine it's a little hard to miss. And when Magi and shepherds attend the infant Jesus instead of Rabbis and he gets baptized instead of Bar micva they don't have to hit you over the head.

At least my sources aren't biased since they don't concern themselves with the Jesus myth. I wonder if Metacrock has read any of the actual myths? It appears that he contents himself with Christian deconstructions without ever doing so, but I don't know that for sure.

Badfish · 04-30-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrrho
You are committing the fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. Furthermore, how well known a particular religion is entirely dependent upon where in the world one is. If one lives in a predominantly Catholic country, the Catholic religion will be the most well known. In a predominantly Hindu country, the Hindu religion will be the most well known. Additionally, most people in the world are not Christians, so even if your poor reasoning were correct, it would only go to show that Christianity is false.

So you imagine that the people who post here are representative of the world's population? You do realize that Internet connections are not common in certain parts of the world, don't you? You do realize that the majority of the people in the world are not native speakers of English, don't you?

Your "reason" is among the most silly I have ever seen.

Yeah, Yeah, heard it before. You sound like all the other atheists that take this stance, say the same things over and over. :boohoo:

Infidelettante · 04-30-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Demigawd
Good sarcasm is a terrible thing to waste on the indoctrinated.

So true Demigawd, but having no talent for logic sarcasm remains my most effective tool. I shall run afoul of the mods someday and, having taken things too far, will rue the day I found theists so easy to lampoon.

JT

Biff the unclean · 04-30-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Yeah, Yeah, heard it before. You sound like all the other atheists that take this stance, say the same things over and over. :boohoo:

Now take a deep breath and think for a minute. Why do you think that you are being told the same thing over and over again by so many people? :banghead:

Badfish · 04-30-2003, 08:38 PM

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You are committing the fallacy known as argumentum ad populum.

Is that a felony or a misdemeanor?

Badfish · 04-30-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
Now take a deep breath and think for a minute. Why do you think that you are being told the same thing over and over again by so many people? :banghead:

Ok, sssssswwwwwooooooooot (deep breath)

I didn't say that atheists were saying it to me. Just that I have heard it before.

I just don't accept Hinduism, ok? There is no preponderance for it. If someone here wants to indoctrinate me and throw out some links to this religion, I'll take a look, so I can shoot it down. That would be nice.

Badfish · 04-30-2003, 08:51 PM

Ok, I took a look and there seems to be many discrepencies and a lack of scripture to back up the Hindu religion.

There seems to be no single Scripture or Group of Scriptures that are accepted by all Hindus, thereby exposing the baseless claim that Hindus form a single faith. It is haphazard at best.

Biff the unclean · 04-30-2003, 09:12 PM

Hinduism is polytheistic.
Why does it need a single scripture? That's just some baggage your religion has, not a requirement. Have you finished reading the Bhagavad Gita already?

PsycheDelia · 04-30-2003, 11:15 PM

i am from india, and i was raised christian - simply because i was born into a christian family. however, my experience is unique because i did actually evaluate hinduism at a very early age - of course geography had a lot to do with it, but more important - my father was born to a hindu father and a muslim mother (my dad converted to catholicism soon after he met my mother). growing up in india i had to examine why my family was christian and therefore different from the majority, and also why my father rejected the religions of both his parents and chose insted something completely different instead. i have hindu relatives and muslim relatives, not to mention friends of all faiths, so i did a lot of comparing very early on - what i believed in versus what they believed in.

i seem to have internalized a belief early in life that hinduism is not really a religion (not in the way i thought that catholicism was a religion, with its organized hierarchy and missives from the pope etc.). there was also a feeling that hinduism was nothing more than a collection of myths (like the bible is not!), and that polytheism is a ridiculous idea when there can only be one true god (of course, that was my christian-centric view at that time). so my rejection of hinduism was conscious to the extent that i did evaluate the religion, but at the same time i was one of those little brainwashed sheep that would reject anything non-catholic.

i guess i am still a christian to some extent. i have been known to go to church on occasion (the occasion being that i am in the same city as my parents and don't want to get into an argument), and christianity is the one religion i know best. maybe i should ask my father why he rejected hinduism... after all he had a parent who was hindu. i just realised that i have never asked him that question... i just came to my own conclusions. he says it was because he was attracted to christianity (he's more devout than even my mother is now) but i suspect it was because he wanted to marry my mother and she would not agree to a marry a non-catholic.

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04-30-2003, 05:56 PM	#62
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I've yet to have the pleasure. But if there is any poor scholarship the fault is all mine. I've never read any of the so called Jesus myther books. All I've read are the actual mythologies without the aid of someone pointing out what the Christians stole. You don't need the guide books the steals are bald-faced. When Dionysus starts his ministery by going to a wedding and turning the sacred spring that the wedding was held at into wine it's a little hard to miss. And when Magi and shepherds attend the infant Jesus instead of Rabbis and he gets baptized instead of Bar micva they don't have to hit you over the head. At least my sources aren't biased since they don't concern themselves with the Jesus myth. I wonder if Metacrock has read any of the actual myths? It appears that he contents himself with Christian deconstructions without ever doing so, but I don't know that for sure.

04-30-2003, 08:51 PM	#68
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Ok, I took a look and there seems to be many discrepencies and a lack of scripture to back up the Hindu religion. There seems to be no single Scripture or Group of Scriptures that are accepted by all Hindus, thereby exposing the baseless claim that Hindus form a single faith. It is haphazard at best.

04-30-2003, 09:12 PM	#69
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Hinduism is polytheistic. Why does it need a single scripture? That's just some baggage your religion has, not a requirement. Have you finished reading the Bhagavad Gita already?

04-30-2003, 11:15 PM	#70
PsycheDelia Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the point at which two worlds collide Posts: 282	i am from india, and i was raised christian - simply because i was born into a christian family. however, my experience is unique because i did actually evaluate hinduism at a very early age - of course geography had a lot to do with it, but more important - my father was born to a hindu father and a muslim mother (my dad converted to catholicism soon after he met my mother). growing up in india i had to examine why my family was christian and therefore different from the majority, and also why my father rejected the religions of both his parents and chose insted something completely different instead. i have hindu relatives and muslim relatives, not to mention friends of all faiths, so i did a lot of comparing very early on - what i believed in versus what they believed in. i seem to have internalized a belief early in life that hinduism is not really a religion (not in the way i thought that catholicism was a religion, with its organized hierarchy and missives from the pope etc.). there was also a feeling that hinduism was nothing more than a collection of myths (like the bible is not!), and that polytheism is a ridiculous idea when there can only be one true god (of course, that was my christian-centric view at that time). so my rejection of hinduism was conscious to the extent that i did evaluate the religion, but at the same time i was one of those little brainwashed sheep that would reject anything non-catholic. i guess i am still a christian to some extent. i have been known to go to church on occasion (the occasion being that i am in the same city as my parents and don't want to get into an argument), and christianity is the one religion i know best. maybe i should ask my father why he rejected hinduism... after all he had a parent who was hindu. i just realised that i have never asked him that question... i just came to my own conclusions. he says it was because he was attracted to christianity (he's more devout than even my mother is now) but i suspect it was because he wanted to marry my mother and she would not agree to a marry a non-catholic.

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