Magus55

And i guess to all of you the evidence studied by doctors, nobel prize winners, and knights ( exceptional achievement people ordained by the Queen of England) on the probability of life coming out of the universe by chance without an intelligent designer is completely false and negligable?

MyKell

Magus,
You're repeating yourself buddy. I've read that same sentence of yours many times. Come up with something else
I don't know what your background is, but mathematical proofs can't be made without assumptions. People who try to prove the improbability of life's emergence and subsequent evolution assume that life is improbable to begin with. Also, they either confuse concepts like gradual change and single step change (like the famous example of the hurricane in the backyard constructing a Boeng 747, a clear confusion between the aforementioned concepts).
In any case, even if some scientists believe something, it doesn't make it true. Biologists of the 18th centuries believed that moth was created from garbage. Physicists of the 16th century believed the earth was flat. SO WHAT????? following your argument, we should believe that...

Starboy

Magus55, what evidence is that. I know there have been a number of papers, but very few experiments and no experiments with extraordinary results.

Starboy

Eudaimonist

Not only do I claim to be atheist, I am an atheist.

Real.

Magus55

http://www.evolutionisfalse.org/Probability.html

Lol you guys are absolutely unbelievable. You even try to dispute Math by doctors and nobel prize winners just because you are so bent on the idea of God existing.

MyKell, sorry unless you are smarter than some of the worlds best mathmaticians your words are meaningless. I guess we can't conclude how many stars or atoms are in the universe based on your dumb claim that they have to use assumptions? No matter whehter they had to use assumptions or not - LIFE COULD NOT FORM ON ITS OWN FROM NON LIVING ATOMS!

If you don't agree with it fine, apparently you will deny anything to prove God doesn't exist. You are as stubborn as possible, so if you have any more dumb arguments claiming all the scientists, mathmaticians, and geniouses who did studies on the mathematical probabilities of life forming without God, don't bother replying because i can conlude you are suffering from know-it-all syndrome and i don't where to hear your comments. Thanks - luv2all!

christ-on-a-stick

Magus, Hmmmm... sometimes I think Freud got some things right.

Magus, I'm sure you can find a nice lengthy discussion on your link and ID claims up in the higher forums, but just for one second let's say for the sake of argument that I were to accept the idea of "all this had to come from something".

A) Where did that SOMETHING come from, and
B) What evidence is there that this something has qualities even remotely resembling the Xian God (or any theistic God)?

How about a pantheon of Gods?
How about Buddhism? Taoism? Hinduism?
How about aliens?
How about pantheism or panentheism?
How about monistic panentheism in particular?

Starboy

Magus55, as far as I know there is little to no evidence that sheds any light on how the first life on earth formed. But I fail to see how this confirms ID or any other religious theory of creation. Just as any scientific theory needs evidence and experimental results to backup its claims so do the religionists. The best that can be said is that abiogenesis is unexplored territory. And even if the day came when mankind could synthesize life in the lab (which I don't think is far off) that still will not show that abiogenesis occurred on earth. It will show that there is nothing special about life that cannot occur naturally.

Starboy

MyKell

Ok, well obviously you cannot come up with an argument of your own. You just shower us with websites and a bunch of arguments you got from people with pseudomathematical proofs, again, based on assumption. You obviously do not know how the mathematical proof process goes. Therefore, it is I who will not argue with you further. You can go worship your imaginary god all you want... Why the hell should I care.

Magus55

Right now im trying to get you to believe that any god exists - lets not worry about which religions god is right for now.

And spiritual things aren't required to come from anything. They don't follow the laws of physics and math. If God exists, he has always existed - for eternity, where as matter can't since its in the physical realm.

MyKell - thanks - don't feel like arguing with you anymore - you are obviously destined to go to the grave believing everything you claim is right and you couldn't possibly be wrong- you seem to think your smarter than doctors and geniouses so obviously you're too self absorbed to accept the possibility of anything but your own claims. I use other peoples studies because you guys want evidence outside the Bible for proof God exists and im not a mathematician. Your argument that me using outside evidence from my own knowledge invalidates it is ignorant at best. Why do you believe in Evolution? From studies you did outside your own knowledge since i doubt your a descendant of Darwin.

MyKell

Starboy,
I agree that we are not far off from creating self-organizing systems in the laboratory. There are people seriously working on this issue. However, I don't think that this will settle the dispute with the ID theorists. They will come up with a new argument: SEE, it took intelligent designers (people) to create life, it could not have come out on its own. An argument out of complete ignorance for the fact that we cannot live 4 billion years to observe evolution take place. Even if we did, I doubt that anyone will do it