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Old 07-15-2003, 07:21 AM   #1
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Default Proof God doesn't exist???

Some forumite on these boards made the claim that although God cannot be disproven, there is sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that God does not exist.

I kindly ask for this proof?

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Where have you seen this claim here? I would ask you to elucidate, as I don't recall that claim being made.
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"Funny but from my own experience it is rather atheists those who make this claim...Anyway no matter who makes this claim it is certainly a mith.Moreover to make belief nonrational there is no need of a 'proof' but only of arguments proving,beyond all reasonable doubt,that such a God does not exist." Metacristi

Perhaps this person does believe God can be disproven, but I ak for "apparent" arguements, which prove beyond reasonable doubt that God does not exist.

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Which "God"?

The God of Biblical inerrantists can be disproved beyond reasonable doubt by the evidence for the age of the Earth, the fossil record, and so forth. And also by Biblical contradictions etc. But a non-inerrantist will say "...so what?".
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Which "God"?

The God of Biblical inerrantists can be disproved beyond reasonable doubt by the evidence for the age of the Earth, the fossil record, and so forth. And also by Biblical contradictions etc. But a non-inerrantist will say "...so what?".
As a Bible inerrantist, I would say the age of the earth, whether a trillion years old, or one day old, does not disprove the Bibles inerrancy.

Also, I would make the point that if you dismiss the Bibles inerrancy on "perceived" contradictions, then this does not suffice as proof the Bible is in error, for it is possible a lack of theological training has contributed to the fallacy you have embraced.

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This thread is better suited to the Existence of God forum and therefore I'm moving it there...

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Also, I would make the point that if you dismiss the Bibles inerrancy on "perceived" contradictions, then this does not suffice as proof the Bible is in error, for it is possible a lack of theological training has contributed to the fallacy you have embraced.
And I would make the point that if you dismiss the Bibles contradictions based on "perceived" inerrancy, then it is possible a lack of logic training has contributed to the fallacy you have embraced.

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...it is possible a lack of theological training has contributed to the fallacy you have embraced..
A lack of theological brainwashing more like.

Low blow, I know.
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Some forumite on these boards made the claim that although God cannot be disproven, there is sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that God does not exist.

I kindly ask for this proof?

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First of all, you are looking in the wrong forum. The correct forum for this question is Existence of God(s). There you will find discussions of such matters as The Problem of Evil, which provides evidence that "God", as an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good being, is something that is incompatible with the world as it is. Naturally, The Problem of Evil is irrelevant if one were considering the existence of Zeus, as Zeus is not supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient, or a perfectly good being. So you might want to define your term before you start asking for people to say that they have good reason to believe that it does not exist, as otherwise you may encounter many discussions that are irrelevant to the particular thing you have in mind.
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A lack of theological brainwashing more like.

Low blow, I know.
Perhaps, but the brainwashing I am subjected to is no different than the one you are.

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