AJ113

In the name of civility I'll ignore that obnoxious and sarcastic remark.

God the Father, a spiritual entity can't be in sinners precense because He is perfect and Holy.

So, getting down to brass tacks, Magus, you appear to have exposed a weakness of your all-powerful god. A contradiction of terms, don't you think?

Magus55

Nope, because you assume omnipotent means the ability to do that which defies ones own nature and creates a paradox - it doesn't.

AJ113

He created man, who consequently sinned. I'd say that qualifies as being part of his nature.

Pierre Bezukhov

Exd 3:6 Moreover He said, "I am the God of your father - the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. (NKJV)

Forgive me, Magus55, I'm unclear on this. Who was it? The Angel of the Lord or God himself?

Magus55

The Angel of the Lord - God speaks through the Angel. First of all, as I said - God the Father can't be in the precense of sin, and 2, if God appeared before Moses - Moses would probably be dead from shock.

winstonjen

So what happens at judgement? And what would god do if the denizens of Hell succeeded in overthrowing him?

winstonjen

Ah yes, we get punished for being born, and for so-called 'sin' that we have no control over.

Magus55

Humans won't be in the flesh at judgement afaik.

What would God do? Nothing since its impossible. Lucifer tried, and failed miserably. God is impossible to overthrow - He is the sovereign and Almighty Lord of the Universe - nothing can succeed in removing God from His throne. And Hell isn't the same place that people go after judgement - they are cast into the Lake of Fire, along with Hell - where they stay permanently. No getting out, no release, no chance at rebellion. Satan will also be chained and bound in the Lake of Fire for all eternity - so no more temptation coming from him. Jesus conquers him in revelation.

Magus55

You do have control over sin. I sin a heck of alot less than I did before I was saved by Jesus. I have no desire to sin, and if I do sin - i repent of it. I hate sin - its unpure and destructive. I try harder and harder to live my life for God now instead of myself.

Yes, you were born into sin - something you can't control - but you aren't being punished for being born - you are being punished for continuing to live in sin and not turning from it. You act like God made it hard to escape sin - had God left the Old Covenant in place, yes it would be impossible for you to ever escape it. And God knew we couldn't live by the law on our own, so He fulfilled the law himself, and made the only requirement to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ and what He did for you.

NonHomogenized

Only the second part of that is true. The first part is pure poppycock. Just because he thinks it is right, doesn't mean it is right. Not by a long shot.

Then you need to go back to the shop and have your humor chip adjusted

Personally, I found it hilarious, like a great many of his posts.

No comment.

And it's the opinion of some people that they are Napoleon. Do you think that they deserve our respect for those opinions, too?
How about that guy, a couple years ago, whose opinion was that when he went to the office building he was fired from, and shot numerous former co-workers, he was actually sent back to 1942 by god, to kill hitler in his bunker, which is what he did, and his trial was actually him being in purgatory? Should we respect that, as well?