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wade-w · 09-01-2002, 05:12 PM

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The other question is can you force your morals on others who haven't agreed with you and who don't accept yours.

It seems to me that theists are much more likely to try and force their own particular morality on the rest of us than athiests. That is EXACTLY what the religous right is trying to do right now. And were do you think "blue laws" come from?

[ September 01, 2002: Message edited by: wadew ]

David M. Payne · 09-09-2002, 09:01 PM

This quote from Non Sequitur by Wiley: The picture: Two cave men, one is drawing a picture of one man clubbing another one on the wall. His companion says; No no no� first we invent religion to justify our actions, THEN we invent war!
A fitting end to this thread, Bob willing.

David

Vorkosigan · 09-13-2002, 01:32 AM

Posters:

This thread has been bifurcated. All of Meee's posts and associated replies are preserved in the old thread which has been moved to Rants and Raves. I have deleted them here so that this thread can continue on a rational basis.

Meee:

Welcome to Internet Infidels. I hope you will peruse our library (link at the top of the page). We enjoy strong arguments and welcome criticism. However, null data such as overt preaching will be banished to the RRP forum, as the philosophical forums are for more serious discussion. Thank you for coming aboard, and hope to see you engage with us soon.

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Vorkosigan · 09-13-2002, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by meeee:
So your weak invatation to Christians was just that, weak. you do not want to hear from true Christians. just the ones you can overcome.

Your posts were not deleted, but moved to another forum as appropriate. You can view them <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=47" target="_blank">here</a>.

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meeee · 09-13-2002, 10:01 AM

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Dp there is no answer to your post, thats why the Theist fundies don't play on this thread!

There were answers, but the SS removed them.

Anytime there is an answer it is removed to avoid the truth. then we are told we RRp.

When you stop removing the answers then you get somewhere.

I know this will be removed also. I guess it answers another question that you do not want on your onesided debate.

meeee · 09-13-2002, 10:32 AM

Over and over in this thread people claim that God Murdered. Where is your proof that God Murdered? Bring out your Scriptures that make this statement that God has Murdered. You have missed very important steps concerning the flood.

God Warned them that He was going to flood the Earth. 120 years to repent is a good amount of time.

If I tell you I'm going to set my house on Fire and burn it down and you do not believe me, and I follow through because I do not lie then when you do not stay out of my house, does that make me a Murderer?

What about a demolition company. they sound the alarms that they are leveling a building and you do not get out, are They now murderers? No

So if you do not listen to God, you are commiting suicide.

How did He know that the end of all flesh was at hand? He is in the beginning and at the end. When you set ontop of the roof and watch everything in the backyard you see everything in the yard. this is the same with God. He sees the ones who repented, in this case only Noah was found to accept Him. So in His mercy He spared Noah and His family. Anyone there was welcome to enter.

So How can God be the murderer?

it is more proper to say that the people were committing mass suicide, and Murdering their childern by not getting into the Ark. The guility ones are the people themselves.

If you commit suicide does your mom have to go to jail for it?

You also make the mistake of mixing gods, with the true God.

Blame God for a demons actions.

Did God allow them to Die/commit mass suicide/murder? Yes, He gives anyone who wants to do this the right to commit suicide? Does that make God a murderer?

Vorkosigan · 09-13-2002, 04:18 PM

There were answers, but the SS removed them.

The rules are quite specific; religious proselytizing is not allowed in the philosophical forums. In the other forums you may spout nonsense to your heart's content. I am not the SS.

Anytime there is an answer it is removed to avoid the truth. then we are told we RRp.

Are you a native speaker of English? Rants, Raves and Preaching (RRP) is a forum specifically designed for your posts.

I know this will be removed also. I guess it answers another question that you do not want on your onesided debate.

Our debate is hardly one-sided; there are dozens of theists here, and most of them write more coherently and cogently than you.

Vorkosigan

Demigawd · 09-13-2002, 04:34 PM

There were answers, but the SS removed them.

I envoke Godwin's Law!

For my next trick, I will rest for eight hours, pray to Darwin, and memorize Dispel Fundie.

Avaunt, fundie! Avaunt!

Darwin's Finch · 09-13-2002, 05:50 PM

It's almost depressing to think that I'm giving Meee a semi-serious response, but here goes:

I assume (please correct me if I'm wrong) that you are utterly opposed to abortion unless it is a life-saving procedure. If that's true of you, would you go so far as to say that, in your opinion, God is also opposed to such "slaughter"?

If you are still with me at this point, would you agree that abortion is wrong because it is the killing of innocent life? (Note: This is not really my point of view, but I'm willing to play the devil's advocate for now.)

If you're still with me, Meee, how likely do you think it is that there happened not to be any pregnant women on the face of the earth when Yahweh caused the deluge?

I assume you are not so depraved that you really believe that infants (not to say fetuses) deserve slaughter because of some supposed sinfulness. Yahweh gave mankind 120 years to repent? Why should I be impressed by that? The average length of human gestation is nine months, certainly not enough time for the unborn and infants to "get the message" and repent. Further, Jewish culture specified the age of thirteen as the age of reason and spritual responsibility. Even that falls far short of 120 years.

It is reasonable to assume that if the mythical deluge actually happened, there were countless children who, through no fault of their own, could not reasonably be held to be sinful and deserving of slaughter.

In what twisted sense was Yahweh not guilty of mass murder?

And please, do me a favor and not give me any crap about God needing little angels in Heaven at that time.

meeee · 09-13-2002, 09:17 PM

Well lets see, did God need little angels in heaven? NO.

And did you ever continue the reading about the flood?

Or did you stop after the The flood and before Babel?

Look into the future, which is our past and see what Jesus did during his time in the grave. Remember He is your "Mass Murderer"

Where does the Word say he went? and what was He doing there?

<a href="http://www.operationsaveamerica.org" target="_blank">www.operationsaveamerica.org</a> And look at this site and you tell me who is into mass murder. His name is Malichi

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09-09-2002, 09:01 PM	#182
David M. Payne Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The land of chain smoking, bible thumping, holy ro Posts: 1,248	This quote from Non Sequitur by Wiley: The picture: Two cave men, one is drawing a picture of one man clubbing another one on the wall. His companion says; No no no� first we invent religion to justify our actions, THEN we invent war! A fitting end to this thread, Bob willing. David

09-13-2002, 01:32 AM	#183
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Posters: This thread has been bifurcated. All of Meee's posts and associated replies are preserved in the old thread which has been moved to Rants and Raves. I have deleted them here so that this thread can continue on a rational basis. Meee: Welcome to Internet Infidels. I hope you will peruse our library (link at the top of the page). We enjoy strong arguments and welcome criticism. However, null data such as overt preaching will be banished to the RRP forum, as the philosophical forums are for more serious discussion. Thank you for coming aboard, and hope to see you engage with us soon. Vorkosigan Moderator

09-13-2002, 10:32 AM	#186
meeee Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Heaven Posts: 8	Over and over in this thread people claim that God Murdered. Where is your proof that God Murdered? Bring out your Scriptures that make this statement that God has Murdered. You have missed very important steps concerning the flood. God Warned them that He was going to flood the Earth. 120 years to repent is a good amount of time. If I tell you I'm going to set my house on Fire and burn it down and you do not believe me, and I follow through because I do not lie then when you do not stay out of my house, does that make me a Murderer? What about a demolition company. they sound the alarms that they are leveling a building and you do not get out, are They now murderers? No So if you do not listen to God, you are commiting suicide. How did He know that the end of all flesh was at hand? He is in the beginning and at the end. When you set ontop of the roof and watch everything in the backyard you see everything in the yard. this is the same with God. He sees the ones who repented, in this case only Noah was found to accept Him. So in His mercy He spared Noah and His family. Anyone there was welcome to enter. So How can God be the murderer? it is more proper to say that the people were committing mass suicide, and Murdering their childern by not getting into the Ark. The guility ones are the people themselves. If you commit suicide does your mom have to go to jail for it? You also make the mistake of mixing gods, with the true God. Blame God for a demons actions. Did God allow them to Die/commit mass suicide/murder? Yes, He gives anyone who wants to do this the right to commit suicide? Does that make God a murderer?

09-13-2002, 04:18 PM	#187
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	There were answers, but the SS removed them. The rules are quite specific; religious proselytizing is not allowed in the philosophical forums. In the other forums you may spout nonsense to your heart's content. I am not the SS. Anytime there is an answer it is removed to avoid the truth. then we are told we RRp. Are you a native speaker of English? Rants, Raves and Preaching (RRP) is a forum specifically designed for your posts. I know this will be removed also. I guess it answers another question that you do not want on your onesided debate. Our debate is hardly one-sided; there are dozens of theists here, and most of them write more coherently and cogently than you. Vorkosigan

09-13-2002, 05:50 PM	#189
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	It's almost depressing to think that I'm giving Meee a semi-serious response, but here goes: I assume (please correct me if I'm wrong) that you are utterly opposed to abortion unless it is a life-saving procedure. If that's true of you, would you go so far as to say that, in your opinion, God is also opposed to such "slaughter"? If you are still with me at this point, would you agree that abortion is wrong because it is the killing of innocent life? (Note: This is not really my point of view, but I'm willing to play the devil's advocate for now.) If you're still with me, Meee, how likely do you think it is that there happened not to be any pregnant women on the face of the earth when Yahweh caused the deluge? I assume you are not so depraved that you really believe that infants (not to say fetuses) deserve slaughter because of some supposed sinfulness. Yahweh gave mankind 120 years to repent? Why should I be impressed by that? The average length of human gestation is nine months, certainly not enough time for the unborn and infants to "get the message" and repent. Further, Jewish culture specified the age of thirteen as the age of reason and spritual responsibility. Even that falls far short of 120 years. It is reasonable to assume that if the mythical deluge actually happened, there were countless children who, through no fault of their own, could not reasonably be held to be sinful and deserving of slaughter. In what twisted sense was Yahweh not guilty of mass murder? And please, do me a favor and not give me any crap about God needing little angels in Heaven at that time.

09-13-2002, 09:17 PM	#190
meeee Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Heaven Posts: 8	Well lets see, did God need little angels in heaven? NO. And did you ever continue the reading about the flood? Or did you stop after the The flood and before Babel? Look into the future, which is our past and see what Jesus did during his time in the grave. Remember He is your "Mass Murderer" Where does the Word say he went? and what was He doing there? <a href="http://www.operationsaveamerica.org" target="_blank">www.operationsaveamerica.org</a> And look at this site and you tell me who is into mass murder. His name is Malichi

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