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RyanS2 · 10-13-2002, 09:40 PM

Here's what you'll be reading should you get involved into the interesting, (if not somewhat complicated and very sketchy), study of Islam and Islamic revisionism. This is a counter to the ahistorical model of Islam, but its discussion of ahistorical presentations of Islam is fair enough. It's very long, so you may want to copy and paste it, and save it in a folder for review later, rather than attempting to read it all here.

<snip copyrighted material. follow link insubsequent post - CX>

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Toto · 10-13-2002, 09:47 PM

This article appears to be online here:

<a href="http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html" target="_blank">Forgotten Witness: Evidence For The Early Codification Of The Qur'�n</a>

and has two copyright notices on it.

Ted Hoffman · 10-13-2002, 11:28 PM

Poor RyanS2

atrahasis · 10-14-2002, 01:47 AM

po....(truncated)..

RyanS2 · 10-15-2002, 12:48 AM

I got the article from e-library, which is available at most libraries, (and via remote access for thirty days free if you request it.)

You can have fun comparing it yourself:

"M. Fishbein, The War between Brothers: The Caliphate of Muhammad al-Amin, A.D. 809-813/A.H. 193- 198, The History of al-Tabari: An Annotated Translation, vol. 31 (Albany, 1992), 126, nn. 477-79."

and compare this:

"These passages have been identified by M. Fishbein, The War between Brothers: The Caliphate of Muhammad al-Am�n, A.D. 809-813 / A.H. 193-198, The History of al-Tabar�: An Annotated Translation, vol. 31 (Albany, 1992), 126, nn. 477-79."

E-libraries version doesn't use the special i's and other special markings like "Muhammad al-Am�n" and "The History of al-Tabar�", and "Ab� Ahmad Ibn cAbd Rabbihi", and so forth. To redo that whole thing without all the special markings would take someone quite a while, and it wouldn't be me. I thought that with what little has been written on the Qur'an that someone would put it up on a website, (versus library resource) but didn't think so on anything that recent.

I saved the e-library version on my hard-drive, I can send you it via e-mail to put your mind at ease that it was an unintentional mistake. I'm phlegmatic by nature, if I knew there was a link, I would have just posted that instead.

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CX · 10-15-2002, 05:50 AM

I don't think this is appropriate for BC&A so I'm moving it to MRD.

10-13-2002, 09:40 PM	#1
RyanS2 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisiana Posts: 216	Present for Vorkosigan Here's what you'll be reading should you get involved into the interesting, (if not somewhat complicated and very sketchy), study of Islam and Islamic revisionism. This is a counter to the ahistorical model of Islam, but its discussion of ahistorical presentations of Islam is fair enough. It's very long, so you may want to copy and paste it, and save it in a folder for review later, rather than attempting to read it all here. <snip copyrighted material. follow link insubsequent post - CX> [ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: CX ]</p>

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10-13-2002, 09:47 PM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	This article appears to be online here: <a href="http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html" target="_blank">Forgotten Witness: Evidence For The Early Codification Of The Qur'�n</a> and has two copyright notices on it.

10-13-2002, 11:28 PM	#3
Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	Poor RyanS2

10-14-2002, 01:47 AM	#4
atrahasis Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South of Sahara Posts: 216	po....(truncated)..

10-15-2002, 12:48 AM	#5
RyanS2 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisiana Posts: 216	I got the article from e-library, which is available at most libraries, (and via remote access for thirty days free if you request it.) You can have fun comparing it yourself: "M. Fishbein, The War between Brothers: The Caliphate of Muhammad al-Amin, A.D. 809-813/A.H. 193- 198, The History of al-Tabari: An Annotated Translation, vol. 31 (Albany, 1992), 126, nn. 477-79." and compare this: "These passages have been identified by M. Fishbein, The War between Brothers: The Caliphate of Muhammad al-Am�n, A.D. 809-813 / A.H. 193-198, The History of al-Tabar�: An Annotated Translation, vol. 31 (Albany, 1992), 126, nn. 477-79." E-libraries version doesn't use the special i's and other special markings like "Muhammad al-Am�n" and "The History of al-Tabar�", and "Ab� Ahmad Ibn cAbd Rabbihi", and so forth. To redo that whole thing without all the special markings would take someone quite a while, and it wouldn't be me. I thought that with what little has been written on the Qur'an that someone would put it up on a website, (versus library resource) but didn't think so on anything that recent. I saved the e-library version on my hard-drive, I can send you it via e-mail to put your mind at ease that it was an unintentional mistake. I'm phlegmatic by nature, if I knew there was a link, I would have just posted that instead. [ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: RyanS2 ]</p>

10-15-2002, 05:50 AM	#6
CX Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portlandish Posts: 2,829	I don't think this is appropriate for BC&A so I'm moving it to MRD.

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