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Old 11-29-2002, 09:28 AM   #1
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Quantum Physics: According to the Big Bang Theory, all the matter in the universe combined into a small dot (smaller than the period on this page, billions and billions of years ago). One of the laws of quantum physics is that matter cannot compress past a certain point. Liquids (ex: water) do not compress at all (unless you change the temperature, then it condenses, and it still cannot condense past a certain point) no matter how much pressure you put on it. In a car, if water gets stuck in your cylinders, that water will not compress no matter how much pressure you put on it. Oil is used for car shocks because it does not compress no matter how much pressure you put on it. Air (or gasses) does compress, but it doesn’t compress past a certain point. So if matter cannot compress past a certain point, how could all the matter in the universe compress into a dot? Ok, so lets assume that the big bang theory somehow defies this law of physics. In order for that dot to explode, it must have energy. That means that, not only did all the matter in the universe combine into a dot, all the energy in the universe combined into that dot. Wouldn’t that energy prevent the matter from combining (if the energy caused that dot to explode). Ok, so lets assume that somehow all the matter and energy did combine into that dot. Wouldn’t gravity force that dot to stay into a dot? There would be so much gravity that the matter from the dot couldn’t escape. Hypothetically speaking, lets assume that dot did explode. A bomb has energy in it. In order for that bomb to explode, something must ignite that bomb, start a chemical reaction, and release the energy from that bomb. In order for that dot to explode, something has to ignite that dot and start a chemical reaction. What ignited the dot? Lets say that the dot managed to somehow explode. According to the big bang theory, all the gluons formed together to form atoms. Do you know how complex a single atom is? The odds of gluons combining together at random and forming a single atom are slim to none. The odds of those gluons combining together throughout the entire universe, and forming all the atoms in the universe (every atom being identical to each other) are virtually impossible.
One of the laws of thermodynamics is that things tend to go from a state of order, to a state of disorder, unless work is done to put things back into a state of order. This defies the big bang theory and evolution.

If you have a group of children on a marry-go-round, and you spun those children really fast, when you reach about 100 miles per hour, those kids are going to fly off the marry – go – round. There is a law of thermodynamics that states that every kid will be spinning in the same direction. According to the big bang theory, after the explosion, everything started spinning really fast (and that’s how everything was formed). If this is true, why do we have two planets, and four moons that spin in the opposite direction.

When a bomb explodes, all the energy and matter from that bomb is evenly distributed. Why isn’t the universe evenly distributed. We have one galaxy, long distances of space, followed by another galaxy (ask your teacher how far the Milky Way is from the next galaxy). To explain this, some scientists try to say that there are masses of matter that fill up those gaps. These masses of matter produce so much gravity that it sucks up light, therefor we cannot see the masses. This has never been tested, and there is no evidence that gravity affects light. If this were true, wouldn’t these masses of material cause so much gravity that they would suck up all the stars right next to them? Wouldn’t these masses of matter prevent us from seeing the galaxies behind them (block their view).

For more information that disproves the big bang theory, click here.
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Old 11-29-2002, 09:36 AM   #2
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Is this by Hovind himself, or by someone who learned everything they know about QM from Hovind? Either way, it makes me ask: This is a guy who claims to have taught high school science?

All this proves is that the Universe is not made of water.
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<strong>Is this by Hovind himself, or by someone who learned everything they know about QM from Hovind? Either way, it makes me ask: This is a guy who claims to have taught high school science?</strong>
Probably from Hovind himself. Check out his website to be sure. Going there kinda makes me sick.
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That means that, not only did all the matter in the universe combine into a dot, all the energy in the universe combined into that dot. Wouldn’t that energy prevent the matter from combining (if the energy caused that dot to explode).
Matter and energy are equivalent. E=mc^2, remember?

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You know, it's funny. Fred Hoyle coined the term "big bang" by way of criticizing it, and ridiculing it. But Hoyle's term stuck in the popular consciousness, and so there's been this misunderstanding as a consequence. The Big Bang was not an explosion. Imagine a bomb where the casing doesn't rupture when it's set off. Instead the bomb casing expands indefinitely, and the effects of the reactions in the interior are never perceived by anyone outside the bomb. That's a closer, but still inaccurate, analogy to the event called the Big Bang than any explosion you're thinking of.
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&lt;&lt;Matter and energy are equivalent. E=mc^2, remember?&gt;&gt;

To be honest, I only know the formula. What it means I haven't a clue.
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If you have a group of children on a marry-go-round, and you spun those children really fast, when you reach about 100 miles per hour, those kids are going to fly off the marry – go – round. There is a law of thermodynamics that states that every kid will be spinning in the same direction. According to the big bang theory, after the explosion, everything started spinning really fast (and that’s how everything was formed). If this is true, why do we have two planets, and four moons that spin in the opposite direction.
This is the funniest one, if you see it in person. Aside from the "law of thermodynamics" which is really the "law for the conservation of angular momentum in the absense of torque" which he takes to mean "the law for the conservation of direction of spin in the presence of anything I want", he has a slide showing the planets arising fully-formed from the big bang. The man actually thinks that scientists say that the planets are "chunks" of big bang material. What a tool.

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And the little buggers from the merry-go-round wouldn't be spinning anyway - they'd fly straight off. Bizarre!
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tgamble, I'm glad your alter ego "Homer" was able to answer these guys, I was too thunderstruck by their stupidity to even be motivated to reply.

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And to the rest of you, you ought to try creationtalk. The caliber of creationists is mind bendingly low.
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<strong>tgamble, I'm glad your alter ego "Homer" was able to answer these guys, I was too thunderstruck by their stupidity to even be motivated to reply.
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It wasn't really much of a reply. I'm no expert on the subject and I couldn't be bothered to do the research for obvious reasons.

Is Tim Thompson still around?
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If you have a group of children on a marry-go-round, and you spun those children really fast, when you reach about 100 miles per hour, those kids are going to fly off the marry – go – round.</strong>
I think Hovind flew off a "marry" -go-round when he was a kid, and hit his head on the concrete.
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