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Old 08-16-2002, 05:26 PM   #1
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I found an interesting document online. It is a lecture given by Sir Laurence Gardner, author of Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

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According to Matthew, Jesus was born in the reign of King Herod, Herod the Great, who debated the event with the Magi and ordered the slaying of the infants. Well, Herod died in 4 BC, and we know from Matthew that Jesus was born before that. And because of that, most standard concordant Bibles and history books imply that Jesus' date of birth was 5 BC, because that is before 4 BC and Herod was still reigning, so that's a good date.

But in Luke, a completely different date is given. Luke doesn't tell us about King Herod or anything like that. Luke says that Jesus was born while Cyrenius was Governor of Syria, the same year that the Emperor Augustus implemented the national census, the census which Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem to be a part of.

There are relevant points to mention here, and they are both recorded in the first-century Jewish annals (such as The Antiquities of the Jews). Cyrenius was appointed Governor of Syria in AD 6. This was the very year recorded of the national census, put into operation by Cyrenius and ordered by Emperor Augustus. As Luke tells us, it was the first and only ever recorded census for the region.

So Jesus was born before 4 BC and in AD 6. Is this a mistake? No, not necessarily, because in the way it was originally portrayed we're actually looking at two quite specific births...
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<a href="http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html" target="_blank">http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html</a>

It is long but I think it is a good read and tries to solve the Jesus riddle ruling out everything supernatural about him.

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Old 08-16-2002, 06:04 PM   #2
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monty python: "we've already got one!"..oops! (sorry, is humor by christians allowed here?)
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Old 08-19-2002, 03:14 PM   #3
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<strong>monty python: "we've already got one!"..oops! (sorry, is humor by christians allowed here?)</strong>
I didn't know Monty Python was Christian (smile). Ever see LIFE OF BRIAN?

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Actually this forum is set aside for serious debate. I would prefer that all parties, Christian or otherwise, try to respect that.

Did you have anything constructive to say on this topic?

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Old 08-20-2002, 06:22 AM   #5
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<strong>I found an interesting document online. It is a lecture given by Sir Laurence Gardner, author of Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

Here is a small part of the document:



Click the link below to view the complete article:

<a href="http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html" target="_blank">http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html</a>

It is long but I think it is a good read and tries to solve the Jesus riddle ruling out everything supernatural about him.

Good Day
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What if both stories are simply made up? Jesus' birth is not discussed in the Pauline epistles, nor in GMk or GJn. Perhaps AMt and ALk are simply relating stories from different traditions that are ignorant of one another and are fictional. Trying to reconstruct the birth of Jesus from the sources we have is like trying to reconstruct the Historical Odysseus from Homer.
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<strong>I found an interesting document online. It is a lecture given by Sir Laurence Gardner, author of Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

Here is a small part of the document:



Click the link below to view the complete article:

<a href="http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html" target="_blank">http://us.altnews.com.au/nexus/holygrail.html</a>

It is long but I think it is a good read and tries to solve the Jesus riddle ruling out everything supernatural about him.

Good Day
Ether

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Sounds like BS to me. He provides no references to corroborate his theory that the birth in Luke is actually a "second birth". His reinterpretation of the scene where Jesus is teaching in the temple is ludicrous. Under his interpretation, there would be no reason for the parents to be angry, which they clearly are. It's also hard to imagine why the temple priests would be amazed at a 24 year old, but a 12 year old is completely understandable.

I don't think there's anything of merit here.
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I believe Gardner gets alot of his ideas from non traditonal New Testament Scholar Barb Theiring.
Some of those Essene conections are interesting though:
A 'cloud' taking him to 'heaven', a preist taking him back to Qumran , the walking on water/Baptism stuff.
I saw in the news they unearthed the skeleton of some Essene bigwig, the "Righteous Teacher" perhaps? JC himself? John the Baptist???
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from the liner notes on Gardner's book it seems he was employed by some Scots Royalty to proove that this Scotsman is the proper heir to the Throne, The House of this instead of the House of that, I'm not up on my British Royalty but I can detect a reason for bias. Something fishy is afoot!
I'm Jesus great grandson. No I'm Jesus great grandson you imposter!!! take that you rogue!!!
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Hi, newbie here.

My main problem with the author of this article is that he is supposed to be such an expert on British/Scottish history, yet he claims the name "Britain" stems from the Hebrew word "Brit." Not so...the isles are named after one of its original inhabitants: the Britani (or Pritani). Surely he would have known this.
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Offa;
My meager <a href="http://www.pesher.com" target="_blank">www.pesher.com</a> relates to this dating problem. See my "12 year rule". I just got back from my birthday party (double-nickles) and I enjoyed the beer.
Tomorrow I will spend the day building a foundation for a new home. I will wear a hard-hat and safety goggles and nobody will know that I am the heretic "Offa".
It is, will be, and has been ... a pleasure. Thank you infidels!
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