phaedrus

It is not possible to understand why you believe empire means all-persuasive, being able to get any country to do what it wants, and able to persuade the whole bloody world, and then infer from a challenge to your definitions that others' communication skills need some improvement.

Oh ....i have to explain that? Coz they need improvement, while in a debate dont try to hide in ambiguity. Now lets see, who used the word "EMPIRE"..... => knock knock ...YOU

And what does webster say???

Comprende???

Who made this statement => "An Empire doesn't rule other states by consensus or democracy; it subjugates them to its own will irrespective of what the majority wants... knock knock .....YOU

It's incomprehensible why you would post a quote from an article that concurs with my pov, just after you had posted another strawman of my pov.

What happened?? You just said romans are not critical ???

It is not at all clear why you would ask the meaning of the word, world, and when provided with one and also told that it's really not critical to the topic, would then ask why the Romans were brought up if they weren't critical ?

Sigh, my child, you brought up the romans and then when you said the "world", i asked what is this world? And then you yourself said it is not critical??? Whats with you ? Living in some self-induced illusion?

It's beyond any known reasoning why you would create strawmen, and when that's pointed out to you, post other quotes unrelated to them.

Coz they are no strawmen....and *ahem* in case, you didnt get it (as usual), those quotes are to help you lets say see the wrongs in your approach

It's not at all understandable that you dodge requests to explain the relevance of irrelevant posts by asking 'what is so difficult to understand?'.

Because if i were asked to explain my usage of say Baudrillard's simulacrum or sassure's syntagma or game theory or behavioural finance, it is fine....but plain english???? And, oh btw what exactly did you ask me to "explain"?

It's not clear why you don't see that the problem isn't comprehension, but rather coherence.

Because you are not coherent maybe??

It's not the least bit clear what you mean by 'whether there is a point or not, the problem here seems to be that of "wave length" '

As i said it is question of "wavelength"

It's not clear what you hope to convey through application of the term contradiction to different parts of your word salad than the ones it was describing.

Are you generally this challenged in life??? It is your statement....go up and read ..the fallacy of contradiction, since you previously posted:

Do not stand in your vomit and think the world has puked

Edited to add to the empire thing

lunachick

What a funny conversation!

Oh, and just for the record, from the view of a casual observer; Dr. Rick is the one making the most sense on page 2 of this ...err ...debate?

Incidentally, neo-con dreams of the American Empire can be found here.
Welcome to the New American Century (tm).

Darwin26

this rhetoric is like a partial eclipse of sanity

Do you have an equivalent of the PNAC in New Zealand?

i'm all for the Empire picking up NZ for a tasty lil vacation spot

phaedrus

All pages are necessary reading be it a debate or rhetorical indulgence in verbal calisthenics......

*indicative of too much time at hand*

lunachick

Indeed, phaedrus. Thou hast an excess of hours for circumlocutory pleasures; this much is obvious. But thee must eventually address the finer points of the will of Empire America, for she is a belligerent mistress and will smite thee; be it with a mighty slap upon ripest cheeks, or mere haughty indifference should you stumble and fall. Surely, phaedrus, this much you can see, can you not?



And Darwin26 - NZ a part of the Empire? Get real, buddy!

lunachick

Here is an article posted in The Hindu, India's national newspaper, relating to the Project for the New American Century.

Darwin26

...not that it is or was new info but it was fun to E mail The Hindu to my atheist liberal friends in Norway and Egypt...

The international community needs to help America crush the PNAC and all that these facist jingos stand for... to see it in The Hindo is just great.

If India wants to support the Iraqi people let them do it on their own terms and not be duped by the current American regime.

But for sure the loss of liberty due to the nefarious endeavors of the PNAC far exceeds the debacle in Iraq.

The list of members not mentioned in that article can be found to include the top ranking True Believers ie the Xian Reich.

phaedrus

Oui, Mademoiselle...no one argueth about the empire's intentions, my views be....

If at all the matter is being considered by the indian government and media bytes are being utilised for the issues, it is simple, because they want piece of the action - Iraq's oil and reconstruction contracts.

if that was the case, US would have been able to convince the whole bloody world about the war on Iraq and it hasnt been able to. That is a fact. I dont see how it is different now. Countries like spain, australia and italy which supported the war on Iraq, did so because their leaders chose to go against popular opinion in their respective countries to cater to US demands (and probably get something back in kind)

It is an unipolar world alright....but the ability of US to MAKE the world do WHATEVER 'US' WANTS TO DO is an over-generalization....the world NOT stopping US from doing certain things is not equivalent to the world DOING whatever US wants

And about the question whether india would send her troops into iraq....the answer would be NO as of now.

Radcliffe Emerson

Because bullying others and using threats are the only way my idiotic government knows how to handle foreign affairs now.
Which is why I am a Libertarian and not Democrat or Republican.
I think we should just leave other nations alone.
Stop forcing our opinions on others.
Then again, most morons in this country think we're a Christian nation, and bullying is the Christian way.

Dr Rick

Oh, how naive you are in that idyllic Pacific paradise; we covet your sheep, and our Caesar is a cowboy...