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06-01-2002, 05:14 PM

Since my atheism set in, I've been questioning everything, and I see nothing wrong with most things sexual that many see as evil(except child porn, rape, and beastiality). I really see nothing wrong with porno, and Im trying to think for the future. Should I, if I ever do have kids, give my kid a playboy once he reaches puberty? Not to be the cool dad or some senseless reason like that, but to teach him sexuality is ok, and possibly keep him away from the really disgusting shit you find on the internet and the freaks who like young boys.

Id make my intentions clear, that I feel that sex is a special thing, that you should only have when your ready because you can get diseases, a kid, etc, but that I see no reason why sex before marriage could be wrong. Id like my son to not feel guilty when he masturbates or looks at porno, because, masturbation can be a good alternative to going out and getting an STD or a kid.

Just looking for an objective viewpoint, good points, bad points, etc of my theory. I really don't wanna fuck up my theoretical child.

pepperlandgirl · 06-01-2002, 05:33 PM

I'd personally let my boy discover the playboy/internet porn himself. I'd keep an eye on him, and when he started looking at porn, I'd have a discussion with him about it. (The difference between porn and real life, the possible negative effects of porn, etc) But I certainly wouldn't punish or scold.
The reason I'd let him find it himself is because nothing is more embarassing for a kid than a parent giving him/her porn...

Dylan · 06-01-2002, 05:37 PM

I think the major problem with pornography is that most of it is hierarchal in nature. Pornography that is not hierarchal really is not bad.

06-01-2002, 05:47 PM

Good point pepperlandgirl, I guess I might just offer a subscription on the condition he does not share it with friends. I don't want to make enemies with the saved.

Another point, how would I treat a girl? I have no clue how women work myself, I really qould have a tuff time explaining sexual morality, porn, etc. to a daughter of mine.

tronvillain · 06-02-2002, 08:35 PM

I don't think I'd have much of a problem discussing the issues my future children, whatever their sex. As for porn, I assume they will be able to find their own or steal some of mine.

ax · 06-02-2002, 08:58 PM

You'd wanna make sure the kid can stand it! I mean, if he couldn't take that kind of thing,and you give it to him," here son, go and masturbate into the night, you know when I was you're agae I used to...etc.." BANG!!, he spends all his time jackin off and the like... sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.Don't the schools
educate kids enough in sex? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

tronvillain · 06-02-2002, 09:06 PM

I think I could do a much better job of educating my children about sex than the school system. Of course, as I said, I wouldn't actually give them porn or erotica.

ax · 06-02-2002, 09:55 PM

reminds me of those american teen gross out movies

MzNeko · 06-02-2002, 10:00 PM

Don't worry about giving your kid porn - given time, he or she will probably find their way into your own personal stash... kids are pretty ingenious that way!

Goodness knows, finding my dad's personal collection was a real eye-opener!

[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: MzNeko ]</p>

Jamie_L · 06-03-2002, 04:48 AM

In theory, there's nothing immoral about watching people have sex, or looking at pictures of people having sex.

In reality, pornography can (but doesn't always) warp the way people view sex, and the opposite sex. Pornography can create really unhealthy views about sex (tying in notions of power and control) and can objectify members of the opposite gender. This can lead to a real inability for someone to develop meaningful relationships. I've seen this first hand, and it can be sad (for the person who's lost the ability to have a healthy relationship) and sometimes upsetting (when the power/control aspect gets out of hand).

Related: pornography can become a behavioral addiction, and it can be one that threatens a healthy life as much as any other behavioral addiction. I've seen this first hand too - it's a habbit just as hard to break as gambling or compulsive eating.

Secondly, the pornography industry is a business, and it will exploit people like any other business. Because pornography tends to be about youth, and the young are easily exploited, I think the pornography industry is worse than most when it comes to exploitation at the expense of those being exploited. Indulging in pornography does encourage further exploitation. This isn't an issue exclusive to pornography, but that doesn't mean it's not an issue.

I don't have moral issues with the idea pornography. But pornography in practice does have issues which should be considered carefully, especially when impressionable kids are concerned.

Jamie

06-01-2002, 05:14 PM	#1
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Porno and morality Since my atheism set in, I've been questioning everything, and I see nothing wrong with most things sexual that many see as evil(except child porn, rape, and beastiality). I really see nothing wrong with porno, and Im trying to think for the future. Should I, if I ever do have kids, give my kid a playboy once he reaches puberty? Not to be the cool dad or some senseless reason like that, but to teach him sexuality is ok, and possibly keep him away from the really disgusting shit you find on the internet and the freaks who like young boys. Id make my intentions clear, that I feel that sex is a special thing, that you should only have when your ready because you can get diseases, a kid, etc, but that I see no reason why sex before marriage could be wrong. Id like my son to not feel guilty when he masturbates or looks at porno, because, masturbation can be a good alternative to going out and getting an STD or a kid. Just looking for an objective viewpoint, good points, bad points, etc of my theory. I really don't wanna fuck up my theoretical child.

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06-01-2002, 05:33 PM	#2
pepperlandgirl Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 125	I'd personally let my boy discover the playboy/internet porn himself. I'd keep an eye on him, and when he started looking at porn, I'd have a discussion with him about it. (The difference between porn and real life, the possible negative effects of porn, etc) But I certainly wouldn't punish or scold. The reason I'd let him find it himself is because nothing is more embarassing for a kid than a parent giving him/her porn...

06-01-2002, 05:37 PM	#3
Dylan Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 100	I think the major problem with pornography is that most of it is hierarchal in nature. Pornography that is not hierarchal really is not bad.

06-01-2002, 05:47 PM	#4
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Good point pepperlandgirl, I guess I might just offer a subscription on the condition he does not share it with friends. I don't want to make enemies with the saved. Another point, how would I treat a girl? I have no clue how women work myself, I really qould have a tuff time explaining sexual morality, porn, etc. to a daughter of mine.

06-02-2002, 08:35 PM	#5
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	I don't think I'd have much of a problem discussing the issues my future children, whatever their sex. As for porn, I assume they will be able to find their own or steal some of mine.

06-02-2002, 08:58 PM	#6
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	You'd wanna make sure the kid can stand it! I mean, if he couldn't take that kind of thing,and you give it to him," here son, go and masturbate into the night, you know when I was you're agae I used to...etc.." BANG!!, he spends all his time jackin off and the like... sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.Don't the schools educate kids enough in sex? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

06-02-2002, 09:06 PM	#7
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	I think I could do a much better job of educating my children about sex than the school system. Of course, as I said, I wouldn't actually give them porn or erotica.

06-02-2002, 09:55 PM	#8
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	reminds me of those american teen gross out movies

06-02-2002, 10:00 PM	#9
MzNeko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 1,127	Don't worry about giving your kid porn - given time, he or she will probably find their way into your own personal stash... kids are pretty ingenious that way! Goodness knows, finding my dad's personal collection was a real eye-opener! [ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: MzNeko ]</p>

06-03-2002, 04:48 AM	#10
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	In theory, there's nothing immoral about watching people have sex, or looking at pictures of people having sex. In reality, pornography can (but doesn't always) warp the way people view sex, and the opposite sex. Pornography can create really unhealthy views about sex (tying in notions of power and control) and can objectify members of the opposite gender. This can lead to a real inability for someone to develop meaningful relationships. I've seen this first hand, and it can be sad (for the person who's lost the ability to have a healthy relationship) and sometimes upsetting (when the power/control aspect gets out of hand). Related: pornography can become a behavioral addiction, and it can be one that threatens a healthy life as much as any other behavioral addiction. I've seen this first hand too - it's a habbit just as hard to break as gambling or compulsive eating. Secondly, the pornography industry is a business, and it will exploit people like any other business. Because pornography tends to be about youth, and the young are easily exploited, I think the pornography industry is worse than most when it comes to exploitation at the expense of those being exploited. Indulging in pornography does encourage further exploitation. This isn't an issue exclusive to pornography, but that doesn't mean it's not an issue. I don't have moral issues with the idea pornography. But pornography in practice does have issues which should be considered carefully, especially when impressionable kids are concerned. Jamie

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